[DoYouKnow]

The problem is: I don't think we don't understand consciousness yet.

The problem of consciousness is one of immense complexity, and curing schizophrenia will require advanced mathematics, and neurobiology (esp. neuroimmunology).

Instead of asking, how does mathematics solve the problems of the world?

I think the only direct approach to understanding consciousness is to ask, why is the framework of mathematics that we've created in our minds the only logical framework?

When you are selectively attentive to specific objects, you're quantizing space-time. This can be visualized with an experiment. Draw a series of dots on a piece of paper, and bring it close to your eyes. You will never be able to seperate the concept of a dot from its association with that dot on a piece of paper, unless you think of the piece of paper. If you think of the piece of paper, then you're quantizing another aspect of your field of view. This is very similar to particles passing through a membrane that is only porous to particles of a small size. It's a form of compression.

That's how I see consciousness. It's a process of discretization on one side of a membrane from its natural representation, and reconstruction on the other side of the membrane. The reconstruction is only possible due to some properties of branching processes. In schizophrenia, the membrane is slightly more porous. This explains the difficulty of schizophrenics to filter out certain stimuli. At a distance infinitesimally near the membrane, there is a fractal geometry. Once the geometry at the interface is discovered, a stimulus can be engineered that will modify the membrane. I think this would involve a combination of a very high number of tones and white noise, in addition to a phase transition (all occuring within a short period of time). Unlike black holes, consciousness does have hair IMO.

[mkirkpatrick]

Interesting thread do you know,I fully agree we are still very ignorant about our understanding of consciousness,and its use of the physical brain?

I work very closely with a number of schizophenic patients as a nurse in a hospital for
mental illness,I have worked with schizophenics for many years,and understand the fear,
anguish,and despair it causes,how some can have the illness brought under control with
medication so that the florid symtoms disappear,and that they can enjoy a reasonable
quality of life,while others become treatment resistant and are stuck in the terrifying
madness that this brings,any breakthrough that could lesson these dreadful effects would
be a Godsend to those trapped within this frightful illness.


regards michael.

[David Maes]

Very important intervention, DoYouKnow.

[David Maes]

You think it's a language problem?

Would it have a genetical mechanism; if so how does it work?

Or do you think there could be an epigenetical mechanism?

[David Maes]

Can an animal (like a dog for example) be schizophrenic?

Untill now I had two dogs, the first seemed to be a rather calm one, the second often seemed to behave paranoid. Of course it's a domestic animal. Can a domest animal be schizophrenic? Can a not-domestic animal be schizophrenic?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by David Maes

Can an animal (like a dog for example) be schizophrenic?

Untill now I had two dogs, the first seemed to be a rather calm one, the second often seemed to behave paranoid. Of course it's a domestic animal. Can a domest animal be schizophrenic? Can a not-domestic animal be schizophrenic?

Animals can certainly exhibit abnormal behavior,which can look like some form of
brain malfunction,whether this is like the human form of schizophenic behavior,I am
uncertain of,it looks as if there is a connection though.


regards michael.

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by David Maes

You think it's a language problem?

Would it have a genetical mechanism; if so how does it work?

Or do you think there could be an epigenetical mechanism?

There is a clue that schizophrenia would have a genetic cause, but as for as my knowledge now reaches, (and unless it would have changed already) the connections give several places on the human genome.

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Animals can certainly exhibit abnormal behavior,which can look like some form of
brain malfunction,whether this is like the human form of schizophenic behavior,I am
uncertain of,it looks as if there is a connection though.


regards michael.

Schizophrenia should be a recent problem; which means evolution hasn't erased it.
But would this be compatible with the fact that an animal would have it?

[David Maes]

Of course the preference goes to the fact that it's a language problem.

But (if it shoudn't have been done yet); Could proving the fact that animals don't have it, enforce the idea that it's a language problem?
(just asking myself).

Is thinking that animals could have it, just due to the fact that people just have the ability to recognize theirselves in animals?

I also think we can learn sign-language to chimpanzees (the chimpanzee could be an ancestor of Homo Sapiens).
(it also has 99% the same DNA).

[David Maes]

Can a chimpanzee be schizophrenic?

I don't think my second dog was schizophrenic.