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[Mikal]

What exactly is mind over matter?

If your tummy rumbles, it's all in your head... don't feed the hungry.

If you break your back, your being a pussy....suck it up.

If you get cancer and you opt for chemo...think of sunshine coursing through your veins instead of toxic venom.

Who picks the authentic view?

Hi Val..."mind over matter" is a term very precisional to the knowledge of self-healing or we have capabilities for self-healing.

It is a mind-state! It is when the mind is trained over time to be directive, focused, concentrative, endowed with gratitude for life and intentional to healing.

When experienced one can actually feel the sensation of the Life Force moving through the nerves of any particular area one is intentional to healing....a magnificent experience.


Regards Mikal

[SteveA]

Hi Val..."mind over matter" is a term very precisional to the knowledge of self-healing or we have capabilities for self-healing.

It is a mind-state! It is when the mind is trained over time to be directive, focused, concentrative, endowed with gratitude for life and intentional to healing.

When experienced one can actually feel the sensation of the Life Force moving through the nerves of any particular area one is intentional to healing....a magnificent experience.


Regards Mikal

If we took the idea that free will truly exists then such a situation would appear the case. The environment could be blamed for many things, but then again the environment one is surrounded by is also a product of ones actions - does nature impose things upon us or do we impose ourselves upon the nature of things?

[Mikal]

Hi Steve...pertaining to the Logos which is called "the Creative Intelligence" it expresses duality in a triplicity. For example, the coherent nature of Spirit and the incoherent nature of Matter. The former is certainty and the latter called Ignorance. In the triplicity of Spirit the Creative Intelligence is the Will to be, the Will to know and the Will to Create. In the lower triplicity of Matter, the Creative Intelligence is the Desire to be, the Desire to Know and the Desire to Create.
Together this system of Creative Intelligence considering the principle of Divine Consciousness/Divine Memory is parallel to our own consciousness.
This is the Seal of Solomon or the Star of David..."what God has joined together let no man put asunder"...very much implying moderation between logic and subjective...we should not be all logic or we "part" ways with our own Universal Inheritance of Creative Intelligence.

Regards Mikal

[SteveA]

Hi Steve...pertaining to the Logos which is called "the Creative Intelligence" it expresses duality in a triplicity. For example, the coherent nature of Spirit and the incoherent nature of Matter. The former is certainty and the latter called Ignorance. In the triplicity of Spirit the Creative Intelligence is the Will to be, the Will to know and the Will to Create. In the lower triplicity of Matter, the Creative Intelligence is the Desire to be, the Desire to Know and the Desire to Create.
Together this system of Creative Intelligence considering the principle of Divine Consciousness/Divine Memory is parallel to our own consciousness.
This is the Seal of Solomon or the Star of David..."what God has joined together let no man put asunder"...very much implying moderation between logic and subjective...we should not be all logic or we "part" ways with our own Universal Inheritance of Creative Intelligence.

Regards Mikal

Thank you for the comments and I see an interesting correlation here with a construction as well as motion through time (I also happen to like the 2 and 3 way symmetries ... there are many more but those are a good start).

We could see the desire as a creation or a being and the will as a change, motion or not-being in one "space" (2 dimensions)

And those properties are then mirrored with the inclusion of an additional property in another "space" (3 dimensions).

I assume the single property version would just "be".

So we might see it as a growth of properties from a single being, which possesses all of these properties and we split with the initial question and to quote a famous expression, figuratively "to be or not to be" and thus creates a duality, similar to self/other or known/unknown and then we we can add a third "dimension" of motion to this as a will or becoming, but each of these could be seen in some ways as independent spaces, yet each of these spaces follows a linear progression and they all share a common origin and "metric", by which they're all measured.

I think there are ways that a progression to a 4th property can create an appearance of superimposing this new space with the original binary/dual space, whereas the 3 way symmetry can't "fit" precisely into either a dual or 4 way form (though we can approach a perfect fit of all spaces over infinite scales - I'm once again referring to ideas regarding prime numbers and the forms of spaces they appear to construct rather naturally in time and this is likely drifting off topic).

But though the single origin can encompass the entirety of all derivative spaces, a duality can only exist in spaces with an even volume (an odd volume space can't be perfectly decomposed into dualities).

This structure creates a highly fractal array of spaces (that becomes quite chaotic as things overlap) and even these interactions between spaces form other virtual spaces of interactions layered upon those etc.

It's easy for me to go off on lots of details and begin dragging out all sorts of things, but I mostly wanted to say thanks for giving me a good possible start on what the first few dimensions could be (I've been trying to nail those down for a while now and your suggestions appear to fit rather well ).

[Mikal]

Hi Steve...interesting comments about the 4th Way. That is actually a rare book by P.D. Ouspensky...I read and studied it way back in the early 80s. It seems he stumbled across significant information in our ancient history regarding the name "Barbelo" regarding Gnostic dovotees of the Aeon/Goddess Bebelo who was the first emanation of the Unknown Father, "the first virginal invisible spirit". She appears in the Gnostic texts Allogenis, The Apocryphon of John, Melchizedek, Marsanes, The Three Steles of Seth, Trimorphic Protennoia and Pistis Sophia. There are various etymologies for the name "Barbelo" but the most essential was "in four is God" derived from the Tetraktys of the Pythagoreans.


Regards Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

Racecar, the book you referred to

http://books.google.com/books?id=st2...age&q=&f=false

Is great. Have been reading it all morning.

[SteveA]

Hi Steve...interesting comments about the 4th Way. That is actually a rare book by P.D. Ouspensky...I read and studied it way back in the early 80s. It seems he stumbled across significant information in our ancient history regarding the name "Barbelo" regarding Gnostic dovotees of the Aeon/Goddess Bebelo who was the first emanation of the Unknown Father, "the first virginal invisible spirit". She appears in the Gnostic texts Allogenis, The Apocryphon of John, Melchizedek, Marsanes, The Three Steles of Seth, Trimorphic Protennoia and Pistis Sophia. There are various etymologies for the name "Barbelo" but the most essential was "in four is God" derived from the Tetraktys of the Pythagoreans.


Regards Mikal

Well I must admit I'm not familiar with many of these references, but I would agree that there are many storylines that can run in parallel and each have a different representation in different spaces similar to reading a story in different contexts and finding meanings at different levels of abstraction and this is likely a natural property of the mind similar to translation between different representations (it's also interesting to consider that two normally "incompatible" spaces could still be made to approach the form of the other over infinite scales (of time) and so this could appear similar to continual biases over time between two spaces along the lines of a wavefunction in quantum mechanics - as rough example, imagine we had two computers connected to each other, but they shared no common clock (or similarly that the synchronization in the clock occured over infinite scales of time) and one computer always generated even numbers and the other generated odd numbers - each viewing the other would just see the generation of random numbers, or a uniform distribution of probabilities, but the bias would still be continually detected that the other computer always generated a complimentary version of a duality. In a similar sense, if one computer computed in base 3 and another in binary then the "space" of computations between the two would never be compatible as one would always generated powers of 3 as in 3, 9, 27, 81, 243, ... and the other powers of 2 or 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, ... but at very large scales we could find ratios that were almost identical and the two computers could appear to still be working within a common, but infinitely large space and my reference relates to this concept in that events occuring in "relatively prime" spaces would not be immediately synchronized in time to each other but would instead exist as recurring or eternal biases in observations that described the relationship between them).

[Mikal]

Yes I do agree that this is very much about allegorical stories implying....finding meanings on different abstractional levels...

Tell me something Steve....I am at a point in my research where I need to understand from a scientific viewpoint what..."9 different Wave Movements" would mean. In an abstractional sense I grasp meaning but science always mocks my ignorance....lol...and I kinda need the conjunct of both to grasp insight....would it be easy to explain scientifically??

Regards Mikal

[racecar]

Racecar, the book you referred to

http://books.google.com/books?id=st2...age&q=&f=false

Is great. Have been reading it all morning.

Oh, good! I read what I could, the big tease, now I'll have to look for the whole thing.

[SteveA]

Yes, thanks much for the links, Racecar. I read one and was looking at the other one also. Sorry if we're drifting some off topic (but "Everything" is a very large subject and tends to drift )

Yes I do agree that this is very much about allegorical stories implying....finding meanings on different abstractional levels...

Tell me something Steve....I am at a point in my research where I need to understand from a scientific viewpoint what..."9 different Wave Movements" would mean. In an abstractional sense I grasp meaning but science always mocks my ignorance....lol...and I kinda need the conjunct of both to grasp insight....would it be easy to explain scientifically??

Regards Mikal

Well from the direction I've been pursuing it would appear this would be describing a structure with either 9 or 10 attributes and we should be able to factor either one of these into either 3*3=9 (which would be the equivalent of two parallel 3-way symmetric spaces) or 2*5=10 (as a 5 way symmetry of dualities).

I tend to associate 3 with physical space in terms of 3 dimensions (but adding time makes it 4 and we have motions (which implies 1 dimension of time) both forward in backward in 3 space so that could relate to 3*2+1=7)

But the manner in which I'm using these numbers is not very compatible with an extended linear view of time and the version of time I'm thinking of for this is just in terms of single transitions between two states.

So imagine we wanted to "transmit" information in terms of 1 of 9 possibilities. In this case we actually need one extra symbol to assure we can always synchronize transmissions with a change.

So let's say we just took the decimal digits 0 to 9 (we could also select a vertex of a geometric object with 10 vertices) and then any transition between 1 of these 10 states is a choice made between 1 of the remaining 9 states (we can't select where we already are).

And then we could similarly "deconstruct" these 9 as a pairing of 3 way symmetric objects, such as triangles or selecting a line (not a line segment which can point in either direction) for an x, y or z orientation in space etc., but each of these lines would need to be distinct and not interchangeable or end up only having 3 states defined (as the missing 1 of 3 dimensions), so it could be a pair of colored lines intersection at a point.

But in the context of 9 way "wave" motion, I'd assume this would most likely be analogies with a motion on a surface in 2 directions, say x and y, where the velocities could be -1, 0 or 1. This gives 3 possible velocities in each dimension and that's a total of 3*3=9 possible "motions" (one motion is staying still).

So, as an example, we could convert a motion along a 10 sided solid:

http://www.iaw.on.ca/~jspirko/download/primitives_caps.jpg

and any change in its value could be mapped to a single motion (that also included standing still) on a 2 dimensional "matrix".

There are many other examples, but that's just to give an idea of the basic forms of relationships I've been trying to work with.