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[austintorn@aol.com]

Here's what I got from the preview of the book:

All

‘Shortly’ after the birth from light
Particles congealed,
But they left an imprint on the light.

The wrinkles of early space blew up
To form clusterss, galaxies,
Stars, planets, and us.

We’re used to it.

When the moon throws its cold shadow on us
From an eclipse,
It shatters the place
That we’ve gotten so used to.

By a rare coincidence
The tiny moon snuffs out our star.
The sun sets at high noon.

The history of science is a deep lesson in humility.

We have no privelged spot.

We are of the ordinary.

Even the universe is nothing special,
Probably just one of many.

Our ancestry can be traced all the way
Back to bacteria, of all things.

And we still depend on them.

We till share 50% of our genes with fungi.

Our emotions boil down to dances of molecules.

Profound thoughts are neurotransmitters blinking.

We don’t amount to a hill of beans.

Everything flows from atoms.

Chemistry drives all.

Nature doesn’t give a hoot about
What humans think is common sense.
Man is hardly the measure of all things.

One may ignore the truth
To further their aims,
But Pandora’s box of info has opened.

Let us then have some shred of humility
Rather than concocting schemes
To make us seem so special and deserving,
We that have flowered but for a moment.

[Mikal]

Yes, thanks much for the links, Racecar. I read one and was looking at the other one also. Sorry if we're drifting some off topic (but "Everything" is a very large subject and tends to drift )



Well from the direction I've been pursuing it would appear this would be describing a structure with either 9 or 10 attributes and we should be able to factor either one of these into either 3*3=9 (which would be the equivalent of two parallel 3-way symmetric spaces) or 2*5=10 (as a 5 way symmetry of dualities).

I tend to associate 3 with physical space in terms of 3 dimensions (but adding time makes it 4 and we have motions (which implies 1 dimension of time) both forward in backward in 3 space so that could relate to 3*2+1=7)

But the manner in which I'm using these numbers is not very compatible with an extended linear view of time and the version of time I'm thinking of for this is just in terms of single transitions between two states.

So imagine we wanted to "transmit" information in terms of 1 of 9 possibilities. In this case we actually need one extra symbol to assure we can always synchronize transmissions with a change.

So let's say we just took the decimal digits 0 to 9 (we could also select a vertex of a geometric object with 10 vertices) and then any transition between 1 of these 10 states is a choice made between 1 of the remaining 9 states (we can't select where we already are).

And then we could similarly "deconstruct" these 9 as a pairing of 3 way symmetric objects, such as triangles or selecting a line (not a line segment which can point in either direction) for an x, y or z orientation in space etc., but each of these lines would need to be distinct and not interchangeable or end up only having 3 states defined (as the missing 1 of 3 dimensions), so it could be a pair of colored lines intersection at a point.

But in the context of 9 way "wave" motion, I'd assume this would most likely be analogies with a motion on a surface in 2 directions, say x and y, where the velocities could be -1, 0 or 1. This gives 3 possible velocities in each dimension and that's a total of 3*3=9 possible "motions" (one motion is staying still).

So, as an example, we could convert a motion along a 10 sided solid:

http://www.iaw.on.ca/~jspirko/download/primitives_caps.jpg

and any change in its value could be mapped to a single motion (that also included standing still) on a 2 dimensional "matrix".

There are many other examples, but that's just to give an idea of the basic forms of relationships I've been trying to work with.

Thank you Steve! Seeing I am trying to reach the velocity of 0 you have helped immensely...also..."a 5 way symmetry of dualities)"....this works for my research and also "we could similarly "deconstruct" these 9 as a pairing of 3 way symmetric objects, such as triangles"...also your link to the images.

Thank you again, deeply appreciated as this pertains to something quite important...

Also sorry Val...for taking up some space here..it kind of all evolved from your question about mind over matter...


Regards Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

Seeing I am trying to reach the velocity of 0

Slowing down in your elder age?

[Mikal]

chuckle...chuckle....but I wouldn't take that too literal especially when it pertains to my research....lol...


Regards Mikal

[racecar]

Feel free to drift and explore what pops up! I have no expectations for this thread...(I think). I usually can't keep up with ya all anyway...jeesh and my tags racecar.

[racecar]

Here's what I got from the preview of the book:

All

‘Shortly’ after the birth from light
Particles congealed,
But they left an imprint on the light.

The wrinkles of early space blew up
To form clusterss, galaxies,
Stars, planets, and us.

We’re used to it.

When the moon throws its cold shadow on us
From an eclipse,
It shatters the place
That we’ve gotten so used to.

By a rare coincidence
The tiny moon snuffs out our star.
The sun sets at high noon.

The history of science is a deep lesson in humility.

We have no privelged spot.

We are of the ordinary.

Even the universe is nothing special,
Probably just one of many.

Our ancestry can be traced all the way
Back to bacteria, of all things.

And we still depend on them.

We till share 50% of our genes with fungi.

Our emotions boil down to dances of molecules.

Profound thoughts are neurotransmitters blinking.

We don’t amount to a hill of beans.

Everything flows from atoms.

Chemistry drives all.

Nature doesn’t give a hoot about
What humans think is common sense.
Man is hardly the measure of all things.

One may ignore the truth
To further their aims,
But Pandora’s box of info has opened.

Let us then have some shred of humility
Rather than concocting schemes
To make us seem so special and deserving,
We that have flowered but for a moment.

This links good for Pandoras Box.

[racecar]

http://www.williamjames.com/Folklore/MINDOVER.htm

lost my mind for a second...

[sillysally]

Thanks for the summary Austin.

http://www.williamjames.com/Folklore/MINDOVER.htm

lost my mind for a second...

I didn't read the whole thing yet but it reminded me of a couple things that I have seen happen. Once I let homeless little boy and his dad live in my basement, the little boy was upstairs with me and he woke me up to show me the fruiting pinwheel floating around in the bedroom. I could hear is swooshing and I could feel it's breeze. He and I were both watching the same thing because his head was moving in the same direction mine was and I was following the pinwheel. I am not sure but I think that is some PSI thing. Then, a couple years before this happened I had a Bulgarian psychic lady read me, she said something was floating around me and I could feel the breeze then too but I didn't see it. But she associated it with having alien relatives from my dad's side of the family. I believe it coz my dad is a weirdo and he lost his power when I got married. I can't explain exactly how but it's in the first paragraph in the link you posted.

But that's not mind over matter. The psychic lady was right coz what she told me was going to happen, happened. Years later and something I had forgotten about until it happened.

[sillysally]

I finished reading that link I just commented on and after the first couple paragraphs, I couldn't relate to any of that stuff mentioned. That's not the kind of experiences I had, and I am honest person dismissing that that's is how it happenes. And I only say that because from my personal experience, that's not how it happens. It's more on a global scale and very very hard to observe from an outside point of view because most of it happens in the mind and unless someone can read my mind, they won't know.

[SteveA]

Check it out, this guy nailed it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55IxhHXUCE