[MJA]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Greg, I kind of guessed you might be a 'fan'!


My intentions, however, are hopefully never less than peaceful.

Neither am I 'opposed' to what may be termed, 'True Spirituality'. For me, this represents our personal connection to that which Truly exists. Thus I see no need nor relevance in a 'middle-man' scenario.

From what I can gather from your posts, Michael, you are a caring individual, and that can only be applauded, but that does not mean that your assumption of 'All is consciousness' is correct! I understand the frustration of today's climate, but possibly we may remember that we are products of our past, and the things that have made 'today's climate' what it is, have been blind to say the least, otherwise, surely, we would have stopped poisoning ourselves a long time ago?

We are in a much better position to do something about our past mistakes now. We have additional knowledge, and hard fought-for 'freedom' (of a 'fashion'). I think it would be a shame to waste these rare opportunities in re-creating the same mistakes that 'yesterday' has given us. Whether we fight on the battle-field, in the 'forums', or in our own minds, it is still a continuation of the act of 'fighting', and thus the very 'thing' we show ourselves (as the next generation) how to keep doing. We have been unconsciously doing this to ourselves for such a long time now, it has become an addiction with us, but ultimately, like all addictions, it is of course self-destructive.

Yes, we do it to ourselves. And this starts within. It starts within because we do not want to believe it is true. It is always 'someone else' that has a 'problem', and we (being nice, caring individuals) just want to help 'others' to see whichever 'light' we can see, so how can this ever be 'wrong'?

I know, you are saying, "Well, that's just what YOU are doing now, matey!" - And you are correct! I do it, because we ALL do it!

But what does that say about US, us 'Humans', I mean?

Is it not that we WANT to do some 'good', but somewhere along the way it all goes a bit strange, and we end up 'fighting' again!?

Well, this is what I think has been happening over and over again in our more recent histories. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." - and all that...

So surely, at some point, we must at least try and dig just another layer deeper than before, to try and get to bottom of OUR problem?


It may surprise many here to know that I have actually had some kind of - what many would call - 'visions'! Don't laugh! (Or go the other extreme and try to convince me that 'god did it'!) - But at around 4-5- years old I was sitting by a stream (South of UK, around 1969-70) when I had an intense feeling of incredible 'smallness' followed by incredible 'hugeness' (sorry, these are the only 'terms' I have come to associate the feelings with). This made me quite nauseous. Over the next, possibly 10, years, these feelings would re-occur maybe 6-7 times, quite randomly. They stopped, or more like 'tailed off', at age c.16, but more recently, in the last 5-6 years or so, I have been 'plagued' with a recurring phrase, in much the same manner as the previous 'feelings'. The phrase was 'inverse Universe', and it has led me into areas of thought that had not crossed my mind previously. I associate the newer phrase with the earlier 'feeling', and believe they are the same thing, just different 'forms'.

I took a psychological approach, but still do not know why! - I have never been indoctrinated into any form of 'faith-based' thinking, but neither have I been particularly 'academic'; more an 'artistic' type. However, in taking this approach, I have come to realise a lot more than I had bargained for! About myself, that is, and how I have come to think in the ways that I do, tracing older family traits, and seeing how they have been absorbed by myself, unconsciously, and are still in fact causing me the greatest of my particular 'problems', which I have come to understand as not so 'great' as many poor unfortunates have to cope with! This has also led me to understand that the original 'feelings' may have been self-induced also!

What I needed to do most, was to find out why I was repeating the phrase 'Inverse Universe' to myself, and why it was 'slipping past' my unconscious, into my everyday thinking. Had it been 'triggered' by something exterior to myself, and if so, how did it correlate with my previous 'feelings of extremity', which I am still pretty sure are the same thing? Do other people have these 'feelings' or repetitions of phrases? And if so, have they interpreted them as 'voices from God', in the past?

So, you may now see where the term 'True Spirituality' has some considerable meaning, for me, and that I do not really need a 'middle man', when I have the 'real thing' to observe for myself. With this in mind, I have taken it upon myself to investigate 'That which Truly exists', so that I may know better what it IS that I am connected to! I think everyone has this inner understanding to what they truly are and how they exist, but even after all this, I am less convinced that an 'exterior' 'omni-potency' has been 'supplying' me! I can explain the whole thing, more or less, with a psychological understanding, especially combined with a greater understanding of other scientific achievements of recent discovery.


Of course, you may choose to either believe any of this, or not, but this is my explanation for my current way of thinking on the matter, and possibly it may be taken into account the amount of time and effort I have taken to re-count the 'story', and that someone who goes to such lengths is not here 'just to annoy the moderators'!




pif.

Dear FP,

I have a suggestion for your psychological visions and reacurring phrases that may help you someday down the road. Always remember to be extra nice to the guys in the white coats, because if your nice to them, they'll take you outside on Sundays and let you feed the ducks!

=
MJA

[Fluent Piffle]

Originally Posted by MJA

Dear FP,

I have a suggestion for your psychological visions and reacurring phrases that may help you someday down the road. Always remember to be extra nice to the guys in the white coats, because if your nice to them, they'll take you outside on Sundays and let you feed the ducks!

=
MJA

MJA, That may be an improvement on staying inside on fridays and feeding the trolls. But you are quite right. It can obviously be a problem, that's why I decided to investigate for myself, and not assume I was 'hearing voices'.

Do you have a 'story', concerning your 'revelation' of = ? Or are you afraid to share it, for fear of being labelled 'mad' by someone?




pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Many thanks pif for sharing with us/me your experiences,I too have had many such
experiences myself,of course when I say "all is consciousness" many will not accept this,
would expect no different,we share what we know to be individually true to our innermost
selves,this will find corrospondence with those who have had similar experiences,this is the reason I post this stuff here,trusting that there are many out there in "cyber city" who
will relate personally to what is posted here.


All is of course far more than just consciousness,it is LIFE its very SELF of whom we know
but little and IS for the best part likenened to a dark-flame?



regards michael.

[MJA]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

MJA, That may be an improvement on staying inside on fridays and feeding the trolls. But you are quite right. It can obviously be a problem, that's why I decided to investigate for myself, and not assume I was 'hearing voices'.

Do you have a 'story', concerning your 'revelation' of = ? Or are you afraid to share it, for fear of being labelled 'mad' by someone?




pif.

A story about me and equality, OK.
But what if others think me different?

I woke this morning before the dawns early light, and started my 2 mile walk to work. It was an extraordinary morning for it had snowed only a half an inch, but oh what a difference it made. Nature had covered everything with the cleanliness of white and added not just a single sparkle, but rather a glitter of millions of diamonds. Wow! It was so beautiful, and for some reason I was the only one to enjoy it. You see everyone drives a car here and rarely do I ever meet anyone walking like me. I quit driving a car because of the war and the penguins dying, and well, it seemed right. I have noticed besides the beauty of nature's sunrises, that any effort I make to help the health of the planet, directly helps me. My walks everyday, are making me healthy too. Surely the planet and me are not the same are we? Yet the effects are equally the same.
I saw three stars in the morning sky and thought of other galaxies, oh what a walk it was. The car dealership sign flashed the time and temperature of only 25 degrees, yet I felt no cold. I think it was the beauty of it all. I walked through the car parking lot at work and met a fellow worker who asked, “isn't it to cold to walk?” I said “no, did you see the snow?” He replied, “ya, isn’t it terrible,” and, ”your different.”
I walk inside the building and there was a new employee, someone introduced me and said "this is Mike and he's different." I responded its only that the three stars were not in alignment. They looked puzzled, I guess they hadn’t see the stars ether.
The rest of the day I met all these different people and practiced equality with them, not to see them different but as equal as myself, But not only equal to myself, but equal to this planet, equal to everything.
And that makes me different I guess, or does it?


=
MJA

Sorry about the fun FP, your turn!

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by MJA

A story about me and equality, OK.
But what if others think me different?

I woke this morning before the dawns early light, and started my 2 mile walk to work. It was an extraordinary morning for it had snowed only a half an inch, but oh what a difference it made. Nature had covered everything with the cleanliness of white and added not just a single sparkle, but rather a glitter of millions of diamonds. Wow! It was so beautiful, and for some reason I was the only one to enjoy it. You see everyone drives a car here and rarely do I ever meet anyone walking like me. I quit driving a car because of the war and the penguins dying, and well, it seemed right. I have noticed besides the beauty of nature's sunrises, that any effort I make to help the health of the planet, directly helps me. My walks everyday, are making me healthy too. Surely the planet and me are not the same are we? Yet the effects are equally the same.
I saw three stars in the morning sky and thought of other galaxies, oh what a walk it was. The car dealership sign flashed the time and temperature of only 25 degrees, yet I felt no cold. I think it was the beauty of it all. I walked through the car parking lot at work and met a fellow worker who asked, “isn't it to cold to walk?” I said “no, did you see the snow?” He replied, “ya, isn’t it terrible,” and, ”your different.”
I walk inside the building and there was a new employee, someone introduced me and said "this is Mike and he's different." I responded its only that the three stars were not in alignment. They looked puzzled, I guess they hadn’t see the stars ether.
The rest of the day I met all these different people and practiced equality with them, not to see them different but as equal as myself, But not only equal to myself, but equal to this planet, equal to everything.
And that makes me different I guess, or does it?


=
MJA

Sorry about the fun FP, your turn!

Thanks for sharing that experience with us MJA,meanwhile back at the ranch...

regards michael.

[Fluent Piffle]

Yes chaps, however, what about the reasons why you think/feel the way(s) you do?

How do you explain it? Does it all come down to someone else's descriptions, or a 'God' of some sort? Can you attempt to describe it in any other way?


MJA, are you trying to say that you are just like your above description all of the time, or that you have always had an '=' fettish? ? Whatever kind of past experiences make you think in such a way?



pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Yes chaps, however, what about the reasons why you think/feel the way(s) you do?

How do you explain it? Does it all come down to someone else's descriptions, or a 'God' of some sort? Can you attempt to describe it in any other way?


MJA, are you trying to say that you are just like your above description all of the time, or that you have always had an '=' fettish? ? Whatever kind of past experiences make you think in such a way?



pif.

It is very difficult to answer why pif,I think and feel the way I do because of my experiences,which by there very nature differ between each of us.So when I react
say to an emotional scene in a film,it is my personal history that is reacting in the
way it does,however we all have similar experiences so many will cry at a sad scene
while others will not be moved at all (there past experiences were different)

I have always "known" that life is eternal from a very young age,i seemed to have been born with that knowledge within me,(pastlife memory) this too has been with me for as long as i can remember,where did that come from? My personal history over many lives prehaps!

regards michael

[Fluent Piffle]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

It is very difficult to answer why pif,I think and feel the way I do because of my experiences,which by there very nature differ between each of us.So when I react
say to an emotional scene in a film,it is my personal history that is reacting in the
way it does,however we all have similar experiences so many will cry at a sad scene
while others will not be moved at all (there past experiences were different)

I have always "known" that life is eternal from a very young age,i seemed to have been born with that knowledge within me,(pastlife memory) this too has been with me for as long as i can remember,where did that come from? My personal history over many lives prehaps!

regards michael

Ok, Michael, thanks for that. It confirms much for me! And you are saying that this 'knowledge' you have always carried within you, 'just IS', then?


pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Ok, Michael, thanks for that. It confirms much for me! And you are saying that this 'knowledge' you have always carried within you, 'just IS', then?


pif.

Yes and no pif,I would consider that this "knowledge" has been accumulated over many
many lifetimes and has been vouchsafed within my soul,gradually being released when
certain criteria were reached-such as increased awareness due to meditation or such like.


And no as deep within our core there is an "understanding" of who we really are,and that
I have somehow tapped into this.


regards michael.

[Fluent Piffle]

And no as deep within our core there is an "understanding" of who we really are,and that
I have somehow tapped into this.

So, when you say 'somehow', are you not intrigued to find out? And what about the contradiction of simultaneously "understanding", whilst not actually knowing 'how'? Would you not like to cure this contradiction and become truly knowing - Know 'how'? I do not necessarily disagree with what you are saying, but you also state that it is in fact 'you' who has performed the action of 'tapping in'. There does not have to be 'consciousness everywhere' for you to perform this task upon yourself...


You see, Michael, on this 'journey' to understand myself, I have come to realise a few other things. One is that 'contradiction' is a very handy 'state' for a mind to be in, because it necessarily means that we can pretend to ourselves (and try to convince others) that we are never 'wrong' about anything. We merely change sides at our convenience. However, the inherent problem for Humans is that this action leaves us fundamentally 'wrong' in Realistic terms, as the Reality we exist in and as part of, is non-contradictory. Where is the contradiction in Truth? Reality is, therefore, whatever it IS, without contradiction. Thus your 'noumena' can neither have 'contradiction', as it must exist as the 'thing' it is, or it simply does not exist. It is our lame 'concepts' that do not match the Reality, whenever contradiction ('paradox' in intellectual-speak) is found.

I might suggest that you do in fact have intuition of this, and that the chant of 'all is consciousness' is a step in this 'unified' direction. The 'scientific method' is to verify or falsify the initial intuition (a vital ingredient to science), and this would be the next logical step.



pif.