[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

So, when you say 'somehow', are you not intrigued to find out? And what about the contradiction of simultaneously "understanding", whilst not actually knowing 'how'? Would you not like to cure this contradiction and become truly knowing - Know 'how'? I do not necessarily disagree with what you are saying, but you also state that it is in fact 'you' who has performed the action of 'tapping in'. There does not have to be 'consciousness everywhere' for you to perform this task upon yourself...


You see, Michael, on this 'journey' to understand myself, I have come to realise a few other things. One is that 'contradiction' is a very handy 'state' for a mind to be in, because it necessarily means that we can pretend to ourselves (and try to convince others) that we are never 'wrong' about anything. We merely change sides at our convenience. However, the inherent problem for Humans is that this action leaves us fundamentally 'wrong' in Realistic terms, as the Reality we exist in and as part of, is non-contradictory. Where is the contradiction in Truth? Reality is, therefore, whatever it IS, without contradiction. Thus your 'noumena' can neither have 'contradiction', as it must exist as the 'thing' it is, or it simply does not exist. It is our lame 'concepts' that do not match the Reality, whenever contradiction ('paradox' in intellectual-speak) is found.

I might suggest that you do in fact have intuition of this, and that the chant of 'all is consciousness' is a step in this 'unified' direction. The 'scientific method' is to verify or falsify the initial intuition (a vital ingredient to science), and this would be the next logical step.



pif.

Cheers pif,reality just IS,sure it IS,however it is well nigh impossible to write this down
as reality is always in the very now,while writing "about" it is in the past tense!

I do know that i know what i am,as we all do if we inquire deeply enough within.

There will always be evidence of contradiction as we are in a relative universe,trying to
explain an absolute one!


regards michael.

[MJA]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

MJA, are you trying to say that you are just like your above description all of the time, or that you have always had an '=' fettish? ? Whatever kind of past experiences make you think in such a way?

pif.

For me, I have to practice equality all the time, because I see the differences perhaps even more than you. When one lives in a world judged inequitable and divided by difference, practicing equality is the only tool of life that can equally reunite the divided, right the wrongs, and makes everything one again. It works for me.
Practicing equality will set the universe free, try it and you'll see!

=
MJA

[Fluent Piffle]

Hi chaps,

Please bear in mind that I do not necessarily disagree with you!

For me, I have to practice equality all the time, because I see the differences perhaps even more than you.

What makes you think you 'see' any more or less than any one else? I think we all 'see' the differences, but that is not the point. The point is how we react to what we 'see'. I think your promotion of 'equality' is applaudable, but sometimes misguided when it is unconsciously contradictory (i.e. "...even more than you."). It is this unconscious misrepresentation of a seemingly 'praiseworthy' nature that destroys itself from within. This is why you find people opposing you, MJA, even though your base 'logic' is essentially and morally 'sound'. This mirrors my own 'problem', which is why I decided to investigate it further...

There will always be evidence of contradiction as we are in a relative universe,trying to
explain an absolute one!

Again, this kind of self-defeating attitude will stop you understanding from a non-contradictory 'viewpoint'. The 'absolute one' ...where is the contradiction? - It appears when YOU try to explain with the written word, a series of symbols that reflect YOUR thinking. If YOU have already decided that something cannot be done, then how will YOU ever know? Thus, the contradiction is all YOURS, Michael, and you justify it by saying it cannot be any other way! Please see that this is not 'me' moaning at 'you', but a discussion by mutual Space constructs on the understanding of the 'absoluteness' they intuitively feel. When we eliminate the contradiction, we will have achieved a true connection with the true 'absoluteness'.

3d Infinite Space can be nothing but 'absolute one'. All we need do is discover the mechanism by which it manifests as the 'many things'. Enter the role of 'science', where previously 'spirituality' has concentrated only on the initial intuition, denying the 'physical'.



pif.

[N0B0DY]

"It works for me."

It apparently doesn't work for all the killers out there in the "real" world, MJA, but you are all that matters in the end.

[N0B0DY]

Science can't have all that much to do with the noumenon, pif. And I would refer you to Lloyd's arguments regarding the impossibility of any mechanics being applied to infinite space.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Hi chaps,

Please bear in mind that I do not necessarily disagree with you!


What makes you think you 'see' any more or less than any one else? I think we all 'see' the differences, but that is not the point. The point is how we react to what we 'see'. I think your promotion of 'equality' is applaudable, but sometimes misguided when it is unconsciously contradictory (i.e. "...even more than you."). It is this unconscious misrepresentation of a seemingly 'praiseworthy' nature that destroys itself from within. This is why you find people opposing you, MJA, even though your base 'logic' is essentially and morally 'sound'. This mirrors my own 'problem', which is why I decided to investigate it further...



Again, this kind of self-defeating attitude will stop you understanding from a non-contradictory 'viewpoint'. The 'absolute one' ...where is the contradiction? - It appears when YOU try to explain with the written word, a series of symbols that reflect YOUR thinking. If YOU have already decided that something cannot be done, then how will YOU ever know? Thus, the contradiction is all YOURS, Michael, and you justify it by saying it cannot be any other way! Please see that this is not 'me' moaning at 'you', but a discussion by mutual Space constructs on the understanding of the 'absoluteness' they intuitively feel. When we eliminate the contradiction, we will have achieved a true connection with the true 'absoluteness'.

3d Infinite Space can be nothing but 'absolute one'. All we need do is discover the mechanism by which it manifests as the 'many things'. Enter the role of 'science', where previously 'spirituality' has concentrated only on the initial intuition, denying the 'physical'.



pif.

Thanks pif for your most thoughtful contribution here,I don't see it as self-defeating pif
when I mention the difficulties of the relative trying to explain or talk of the Absolute
rather I aknowledge the near-impossibility of trying to attempt such a feat.

If you have found an another way of explaining this difficult subject,"then I am all ears
my friend".

Recognizing that there are NOT many things is a real beginning pif!

regards michael.

[MJA]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Hi chaps,

Please bear in mind that I do not necessarily disagree with you!


What makes you think you 'see' any more or less than any one else? I think we all 'see' the differences, but that is not the point. The point is how we react to what we 'see'. I think your promotion of 'equality' is applaudable, but sometimes misguided when it is unconsciously contradictory (i.e. "...even more than you."). It is this unconscious misrepresentation of a seemingly 'praiseworthy' nature that destroys itself from within. This is why you find people opposing you, MJA, even though your base 'logic' is essentially and morally 'sound'. This mirrors my own 'problem', which is why I decided to investigate it further...

pif.

People are opposed to equality because of the differences they see, that includes me.
Practicing equality removes those differences, and that is all we or I can do to be one.
That is all we can do to be absolutely true!

=
MJA

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by MJA

People are opposed to equality because of the differences they see, that includes me.
Practicing equality removes those differences, and that is all we or I can do to be one.
That is all we can do to be absolutely true!

=
MJA

I too try and embrace equality MJA,keep on with your most noble endevour.



regards michael.

[Fluent Piffle]

People are opposed to equality because of the differences they see, that includes me.
Practicing equality removes those differences, and that is all we or I can do to be one.
That is all we can do to be absolutely true!

Well, that's more or less what I was saying. What I asked is how and when you came to such conclusions? It is this inherent connection to what 'else' exists that I see as the 'noumena'. In your case, the '=' performs the role of the 'connector' as well, so what I am talking about is investigating this universal action from within. Something akin to applying 'scientific method' to 'belief', thereby enhancing/embracing the 'equality' further...

Recognizing that there are NOT many things is a real beginning pif!

Surely, Michael, recognising that there are an Infinite amount of 'things' AND that they are essentially One thing, is more 'equal'? This would mean that the Infinite Space (one thing) is comprised of an Infinite amount of parts, necessarily, AND eliminate the need to say there are not 'many things'. This will also bring our thoughts into alignment and prevent further contradiction.

Thus, Infinite parts = One Infinite Space.

How's your ears?



pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Well, that's more or less what I was saying. What I asked is how and when you came to such conclusions? It is this inherent connection to what 'else' exists that I see as the 'noumena'. In your case, the '=' performs the role of the 'connector' as well, so what I am talking about is investigating this universal action from within. Something akin to applying 'scientific method' to 'belief', thereby enhancing/embracing the 'equality' further...


Surely, Michael, recognising that there are an Infinite amount of 'things' AND that they are essentially One thing, is more 'equal'? This would mean that the Infinite Space (one thing) is comprised of an Infinite amount of parts, necessarily, AND eliminate the need to say there are not 'many things'. This will also bring our thoughts into alignment and prevent further contradiction.

Thus, Infinite parts = One Infinite Space.

How's your ears?



pif.

Putting it that way pif I suppose it does make sense,my ears are fine thanks!

regards michael.