[MJA]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Well, that's more or less what I was saying. What I asked is how and when you came to such conclusions? It is this inherent connection to what 'else' exists that I see as the 'noumena'. In your case, the '=' performs the role of the 'connector' as well, so what I am talking about is investigating this universal action from within. Something akin to applying 'scientific method' to 'belief', thereby enhancing/embracing the 'equality' further...

pif.

Dear FP,

The truth came to me because I simply had to know.
I have always believed in myself, my own goodness, my rightiousness, morality, that I was simply a good guy. Not perfect in anyway, just good. One day that belief in myself was shattered by events that inevitably caused others to blame me, to tell and show me in words and actions that I had done wrong. That I wasn't good. From the terribleness of others, I had to know and find the truth of myself, I had to know the truth of judgement, I had to know the truth of measure, I had to find the truth. Was I good or right, or bad and wrong, I had to know.

I asked those questions and began my search. I was steered by fortune toward nature and simplicity, and from there began to study nature's simplicity. Not in books, or words, or other men's thoughts, but rather nature itself. That is where I found equality, and that is where I found myself, that is where I found the truth.
I used to tell others, if your looking for truth go down to the river, there you will find the solution to everything, the solution called truth.

Looking for truth, study nature, have a look outside the box,
If your fotunate like me, you'll find it too.
I found that nature and I are simply and truly equal, and that beautiful oneness of all has set me free! Amen!!!

=
MJA

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by MJA

Dear FP,

The truth came to me because I simply had to know.
I have always believed in myself, my own goodness, my rightiousness, morality, that I was simply a good guy. Not perfect in anyway, just good. One day that belief in myself was shattered by events that inevitably caused others to blame me, to tell and show me in words and actions that I had done wrong. That I wasn't good. I had to know and find the truth of myself, I had to know the truth of judgement, I had to know the truth of measure, I had to find the truth. Was I good or right, or bad and wrong, I had to know.

I asked those questions and began my search. I was steered by fortune toward nature and simplicity, and from there began to study nature's simplicity. Not in books, or words, or other men's thoughts, but rather nature itself. That is where I found equality, and that is where I found myself, that is where I found the truth.
I used to tell others, if your looking for truth go down to the river, there you will find the solution to everything, the solution called truth.

Looking for truth, study nature, have a look outside the box,
If your fotunate like me, you'll find it too.
I found that nature and I are simply and truly equal, and that beautiful oneness of all has set me free! Amen!!!

=
MJA

Thank you for sharing that MJA,nature also rewards you too,several years ago while on vacation in Turkey I rescued several honey bees from the sea as they were downing.

On the way back to our apartment,we stopped to admire a garden which was full of fruit
and beautiful flowers,the owner came over invited us to look around his garden,and when
we were leaving gave us a jar of local honey!Was this the bees wayof saying thanks?

regards michael.

[MJA]

It's nature's way called truth!

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MJA

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by MJA

It's nature's way called truth!

=
MJA

Nature I find is the very embodiment of truth.


regards michael.

[Fluent Piffle]

Again, guys, I am not opposing what you say, and thanks MJA for your account, however...

Looking for truth, study nature, have a look outside the box,
If your fotunate like me, you'll find it too.

...do you still consider it 'good' to assume you have found something that you believe others have not? Do you like to think of yourself as more 'fortunate'? I only say this because if you re-read my posts more carefully you may see that I already share the same knowledge, and yet you insist that I have still yet to find it; "...you'll find it too." - What I am suggesting is that whatever connection we find is correlated as metaphor by us, individually/uniquely, and that this connection is the same thing as your '='. Does that make any more sense to you?

I am of the opinion that there is only Truth, of Nature...and 'then' there is Human description, our 'metaphors', which only on the rarest of occasions have previously correlated with what actually exists, and how...I think that the unconscious Reality tries constantly to 'correct' us, to put us 'in line' with what is Real, but we have become addicted to our concepts, as often our 'wrongness' is seen to be a kind of fleeting 'advantage'...



pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Again, guys, I am not opposing what you say, and thanks MJA for your account, however...



...do you still consider it 'good' to assume you have found something that you believe others have not? Do you like to think of yourself as more 'fortunate'? I only say this because if you re-read my posts more carefully you may see that I already share the same knowledge, and yet you insist that I have still yet to find it; "...you'll find it too." - What I am suggesting is that whatever connection we find is correlated as metaphor by us, individually/uniquely, and that this connection is the same thing as your '='. Does that make any more sense to you?

I am of the opinion that there is only Truth, of Nature...and 'then' there is Human description, our 'metaphors', which only on the rarest of occasions have previously correlated with what actually exists, and how...I think that the unconscious Reality tries constantly to 'correct' us, to put us 'in line' with what is Real, but we have become addicted to our concepts, as often our 'wrongness' is seen to be a kind of fleeting 'advantage'...



pif.

You are mistaken pif,I assume nothing,whether you have found "IT" or not is of no real interest to me,my main interest is to share my experiences and cast them upon the waters so to speak,if they find a fertile foothold-fine,if they don't-fine.

We are the very embodiment of truth,we are a physical symbol of that inner realty,
look deeply within and that will surely be revealed.

regards michael.

[Fluent Piffle]

Michael, where is your argument? How am I 'mistaken'?

If I say..

I am of the opinion that there is only Truth, of Nature...

and you say..

We are the very embodiment of truth,we are a physical symbol of that inner realty..

Do you want there to be disagreement?




pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Michael, where is your argument? How am I 'mistaken'?

If I say..

and you say..

Do you want there to be disagreement?




pif.

I am "not" arguing pif you are finding all this stuff.I am not bothered if there is disagreement or not,why should I? There is nothing I could do about it -is there?

This thread is about realizing what "IS" and the noumena that gives birth to phenomena
not about discussing trivialalities that are of absolutely of no consequence.

regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

That which IS is what we live and move and have our being within.the IS-nessless,the
reality of finding out "just who we are" is something our egos will keep us from finding out.

For "we" are not what we seem to be?Noumena is an idea that allows us "form" and
gives us substance so that we can "find" ourselves again,thereby having experienced
separation and awareness.

Waking up to this realization can and indeed does take many lifetimes for the dawning
to take conscious effect within the present form.


regards michael

[Fluent Piffle]

Waking up to this realization can and indeed does take many lifetimes for the dawning
to take conscious effect within the present form.

Can you explain HOW you know this, please?


pif.