[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle Can you explain HOW you know this, please? pif.

Yes I can pif,however I doubt if you will accept it?I know this because I have been made
aware of this from within my self(soul)A knowing arises from deep within you,a memory
of other expressions within physical existence,when this happens there is NO mistaking
the message.

In those rare times of communion with the higher self (soul) these experiences are
projected into the conscious mind as memories of what was before.



regards cmichael.

[Fluent Piffle]

Ok Michael, but why do you have to add the likes of .."I doubt if you will accept it?" - Was there anything like that in my post?


Anyway...

That which IS is what we live and move and have our being within.the IS-nessless,the reality of finding out "just who we are" is something our egos will keep us from finding out.

Does this mean that you are saying you have in some way 'transcended the ego', seeing as you have now 'found out'?

Yes I can pif,however I doubt if you will accept it?I know this because I have been made aware of this from within my self(soul)A knowing arises from deep within you,a memory of other expressions within physical existence,when this happens there is NO mistaking the message. In those rare times of communion with the higher self (soul) these experiences are projected into the conscious mind as memories of what was before.

You have had 'past life' experience? Was this part of the process of understanding fro you?




pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle Ok Michael, but why do you have to add the likes of .."I doubt if you will accept it?" - Was there anything like that in my post? Anyway... Does this mean that you are saying you have in some way 'transcended the ego', seeing as you have now 'found out'? You have had 'past life' experience? Was this part of the process of understanding fro you? pif.

I said "I doubt if you will accept it pif" because that's what I felt mate!

Yes I have transcended the ego,but sadly only for brief periods in deep meditation,prehaps as I am now about to retire from work and move to Turkey to live,then i will have lots more opportunity to practise this and find ego-relief?

Yes past life experience was a great help indeed,it allowed me to move from believing
to actually knowing.

One thing i have realized is this-unless you actually experience this for yourself,it will
never be real to you!You cannot intellectualize the idea of it,and expect to fully understand an experience you have never had-itdoes not work that way.

regards michael.

[Fluent Piffle]

Well, you assume a tad too much, Michael! I DO accept it.

This is why I posted my own account. Do YOU accept mine?

My reaction was just different to yours, that's all.




pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle Well, you assume a tad too much, Michael! I DO accept it. This is why I posted my own account. Do YOU accept mine? My reaction was just different to yours, that's all. pif.

We all assume at times pif,yes of course I accept yours,I may not fully understand
it,however I do accept your account.

Our reactions are mostly different,it is because our experiences differ.


regards michael.

[Fluent Piffle]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick We all assume at times pif,yes of course I accept yours,I may not fully understand it,however I do accept your account. Our reactions are mostly different,it is because our experiences differ. regards michael.

Well, that was my point, to try to understand whether it really is the 'experience' which is different, or just the interpretation? Obviously, we as individuals are slightly different, and our surroundings are also different, but what of this Cosmological action? Is it really a different action for all Humans/entities, or is it just that we interpret some 'difference', based on our own subjectiveness? - That was the point of my 'account'.



pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle Well, that was my point, to try to understand whether it really is the 'experience' which is different, or just the interpretation? Obviously, we as individuals are slightly different, and our surroundings are also different, but what of this Cosmological action? Is it really a different action for all Humans/entities, or is it just that we interpret some 'difference', based on our own subjectiveness? - That was the point of my 'account'. pif.

We all describe experiences rather differently,which is hardly surprising,as we all "see"
things slightly coloured by our selves,there is but one absolute reality,however any "relative" description is bound to be in error as it cannot fully deliver the goods!

Your account is within the balance of uncertainty?

regards michael.

[Fluent Piffle]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick We all describe experiences rather differently,which is hardly surprising,as we all "see" things slightly coloured by our selves,there is but one absolute reality,however any "relative" description is bound to be in error as it cannot fully deliver the goods! Your account is within the balance of uncertainty? regards michael.

That's right. That's what I was getting at.

It is this 'absolute reality' that is the 'objective experience', and the description which is always personal/subjective. That is why I was hoping to share these 'experiences' (or possibly this One experience?), knowing that we are ALL using our own personal methods of description.

My personal 'view' of this same 'objective experience', is that 'All' is not consciousness' (otherwise, I feel, 'we' would always be 'conscious' of it!), but we must evolve to a certain level of 'consciousness' in order to perceive the 'All'...




pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle That's right. That's what I was getting at. It is this 'absolute reality' that is the 'objective experience', and the description which is always personal/subjective. That is why I was hoping to share these 'experiences' (or possibly this One experience?), knowing that we are ALL using our own personal methods of description. My personal 'view' of this same 'objective experience', is that 'All' is not consciousness' (otherwise, I feel, 'we' would always be 'conscious' of it!), but we must evolve to a certain level of 'consciousness' in order to perceive the 'All'... pif.

The "ALL" is Absolute,and yes IT IS far far more than Just consciousness pif agreed.
Consciousness is a vast ocean of which we are often only in the shallow end?To percieve
All we have to go far deeper into the ocean!

We can still share our experiences though,for in doing so we find understanding and
kinship with our fellows.

regards michael

[Fluent Piffle]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick The "ALL" is Absolute,and yes IT IS far far more than Just consciousness pif agreed. Consciousness is a vast ocean of which we are often only in the shallow end?To percieve All we have to go far deeper into the ocean! We can still share our experiences though,for in doing so we find understanding and kinship with our fellows. regards michael

Well, that's all I was trying to do, Michael.

I feel that all things emit 'information', and that we are on a journey of gathering and understanding more of the 'incoming'. Does this seem reasonable to you?



pif.