| |
 | |
 | |
Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,749
| |
02-04-2008, 08:50 PM
|  Re: Noumena = Is-ness=less.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle  Well, that's all I was trying to do, Michael.
I feel that all things emit 'information', and that we are on a journey of gathering and understanding more of the 'incoming'. Does this seem reasonable to you?
pif. | Absolutely pif,could not agree more.even the stones have a story to tell?psychometry!
regards michael.
__________________
Humilty,coupled with boldness,surprises truth to
reveal herself? | | | | 4th degree Black Belt
Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 472
11  | |
02-05-2008, 06:29 AM
| | Re: Noumena = Is-ness=less.
Ok. And what about the position that this 'information' is not always 'consciousness' itself, but can gather into a form we currently describe as 'consciousness', to correlate the information, thus gather more 'consciousness'?
'Consciousness' would be more like an addiction to information-gathering, in this instance.
pif.
__________________
People look after the things they have affection for. It is thus essential that we learn to have affection for the planet that sustains us.
"The sense of threat from every quarter of what is known as the Establishment – which is to say, of modern civilization – is not altogether a put-on or an act for many of these young folk, but an actual condition of soul. The break-off is real, and what is being bombed and blown up outside are actual symbols of interior fears." - Joseph Campbell
| | | | Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,749
| |
02-05-2008, 08:51 AM
| Re: Noumena = Is-ness=less.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle Ok. And what about the position that this 'information' is not always 'consciousness' itself, but can gather into a form we currently describe as 'consciousness', to correlate the information, thus gather more 'consciousness'?
'Consciousness' would be more like an addiction to information-gathering, in this instance.
pif. | Interesting pif,consciousness could also be life becoming "self aware" of itself as it is
expressed within the relative universe as "it" seems to be "apart" from total unity?
regards michael.
__________________
Humilty,coupled with boldness,surprises truth to
reveal herself? | | | | 4th degree Black Belt
Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 472
11 | |
02-05-2008, 09:22 AM
| | Re: Noumena = Is-ness=less.
Yes, Michael!
This 'seems to be' and the 'apart', are our problems. Where this 'transcendence' is actually becoming equally aware of both the apparent 'apartness' AND the 'wholeness' at one and the same time. They are both aspects of our existence. (Hence also MJA's intuition of '=')
Rather, we have evolved to 'choose' one aspect over the 'other' (physicality of the 'apparent' - Many - for survivalist reasons), they are actually inseparable, as the 'One AND the Many' have equal 'share' of how existence necessarily IS.
'Consciousness' is thus part of our evolving/information-gathering 'make up', which we use to gather more and more information with. A self-propelling motion of Space/Existence.
pif.
__________________
People look after the things they have affection for. It is thus essential that we learn to have affection for the planet that sustains us.
"The sense of threat from every quarter of what is known as the Establishment – which is to say, of modern civilization – is not altogether a put-on or an act for many of these young folk, but an actual condition of soul. The break-off is real, and what is being bombed and blown up outside are actual symbols of interior fears." - Joseph Campbell
| | | | Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,749
| |
02-05-2008, 02:10 PM
| Re: Noumena = Is-ness=less.
The "IS" that is within us is like unto a "homing beacon" that pulses with the life essence
of the Absolute the IS-Ness-Less deep within our core.
We access this "beacon" by self awareness and tuning into our inner selves,naturally
there is an alternating perception of this (life-force-spirit within) depending on our
individual level of "unfoldment" the more one is "opened"the greater sensitivity to
the IS there will be.
Consciousness can be seen as an "outrider" of the inner life-spirit.When functioning
within the relative and phenomenal universe it is seen as consciousness "the activator
of all form"however beyond the portals of noumena it just "IS"?
regards michael.
__________________
Humilty,coupled with boldness,surprises truth to
reveal herself? | | | | 4th degree Black Belt
Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 472
11 | |
02-05-2008, 07:05 PM
| | Re: Noumena = Is-ness=less.
Sorry Michael, your terminology loses me. This is another reason why a description of some personal experience might help?
It's great that people from all over the world can try to communicate such things to each other, but I fear we must learn a common 'language' before that actually happens.
Do you have any real-life experiences of the things you say, that you would be prepared to share? For example 'self-awareness', do you have any specific 'methods' that you have used to gain such insights?
pif.
__________________
People look after the things they have affection for. It is thus essential that we learn to have affection for the planet that sustains us.
"The sense of threat from every quarter of what is known as the Establishment – which is to say, of modern civilization – is not altogether a put-on or an act for many of these young folk, but an actual condition of soul. The break-off is real, and what is being bombed and blown up outside are actual symbols of interior fears." - Joseph Campbell
| | | | Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,749
| |
02-05-2008, 08:05 PM
| Re: Noumena = Is-ness=less.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle Sorry Michael, your terminology loses me. This is another reason why a description of some personal experience might help?
It's great that people from all over the world can try to communicate such things to each other, but I fear we must learn a common 'language' before that actually happens.
Do you have any real-life experiences of the things you say, that you would be prepared to share? For example 'self-awareness', do you have any specific 'methods' that you have used to gain such insights?
pif. | Pif,this is about personal experiences!Some of the ways have been through meditation,
some have been through an "implosive awakening" that occured around 34 years ago now,where I had been seriously ill and no way out!Was given just 3 months to live,then
I turned within and asked for help,(It came in a tremendous awakening)and of course
I am still alive 34 years later.
Listening intently to that "still small voice within"it is really there you know,is one way
I know of personally that will increase your perception and deepen your awareness.
Most all of what I post pif is my own personal experiences,I apoligise if you cannot
understand them,prehaps I will have to alter the way that I present the image of
rotation.
regards michael.
__________________
Humilty,coupled with boldness,surprises truth to
reveal herself? | | | | 4th degree Black Belt
Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 472
11 | |
02-05-2008, 08:22 PM
| | Re: Noumena = Is-ness=less.
Quote:
Pif,this is about personal experiences!Some of the ways have been through meditation,
some have been through an "implosive awakening" that occured around 34 years ago now,where I had been seriously ill and no way out!Was given just 3 months to live,then
I turned within and asked for help,(It came in a tremendous awakening)and of course
I am still alive 34 years later.
Listening intently to that "still small voice within"it is really there you know,is one way
I know of personally that will increase your perception and deepen your awareness.
Most all of what I post pif is my own personal experiences,I apoligise if you cannot
understand them,prehaps I will have to alter the way that I present the image of
rotation.
regards michael.
| No no, Michael, this is good. I wouldn't ask you to apologise for my lack of understanding, mate! 
This post is much clearer to me, helps me understand 'where you're coming from', as they say. I'm not here to belittle anyone else's experience (sorry if this has appeared so to you in the past), just to understand and hopefully correlate with my own. My way of 'Self-understanding', if you like. Makes a pleasant change to read something Honest, I must say!
May I ask what form of meditation you use?
pif.
__________________
People look after the things they have affection for. It is thus essential that we learn to have affection for the planet that sustains us.
"The sense of threat from every quarter of what is known as the Establishment – which is to say, of modern civilization – is not altogether a put-on or an act for many of these young folk, but an actual condition of soul. The break-off is real, and what is being bombed and blown up outside are actual symbols of interior fears." - Joseph Campbell
| | | | Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,749
| |
02-05-2008, 09:05 PM
| Re: Noumena = Is-ness=less.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle No no, Michael, this is good. I wouldn't ask you to apologise for my lack of understanding, mate!
This post is much clearer to me, helps me understand 'where you're coming from', as they say. I'm not here to belittle anyone else's experience (sorry if this has appeared so to you in the past), just to understand and hopefully correlate with my own. My way of 'Self-understanding', if you like. Makes a pleasant change to read something Honest, I must say!
May I ask what form of meditation you use?
pif. | It started out many years ago with Buddhist and Indian methods,then guided type
visualisation meditations which were done in a small group,I used to develop and
run these at one time,however that was a while ago now.I have developed my own method,that of just listening to the still small voice within!
There are many other details which are prehaps not best posted within this theme topic
so will leave it at that.
regards michael.
__________________
Humilty,coupled with boldness,surprises truth to
reveal herself? | | | | 4th degree Black Belt
Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 472
11 | |
02-06-2008, 05:57 AM
| | Re: Noumena = Is-ness=less.
Thanks for that, Michael. It would be nice to hear of some of those other instances/details some time. I think this connection to our 'root-aspect' is also the 'noumena' spoken of.
pif.
__________________
People look after the things they have affection for. It is thus essential that we learn to have affection for the planet that sustains us.
"The sense of threat from every quarter of what is known as the Establishment – which is to say, of modern civilization – is not altogether a put-on or an act for many of these young folk, but an actual condition of soul. The break-off is real, and what is being bombed and blown up outside are actual symbols of interior fears." - Joseph Campbell
| | | | | |
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes |  Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off | | |
Similar Threads | | Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post | | Do noumena exist? | Elizabeth | Noumena | 5 | 01-07-2007 09:30 PM |
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:06 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4 Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 
VBulletin Skin by ForumMonkeys.
| |
