[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Thanks for that, Michael. It would be nice to hear of some of those other instances/details some time. I think this connection to our 'root-aspect' is also the 'noumena' spoken of.



pif.

Yes I could go along with that,with regard the other instances,prehaps a pm
would be better employed if felt useful.



regards michael.

[Fluent Piffle]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Yes I could go along with that,with regard the other instances,prehaps a pm
would be better employed if felt useful.



regards michael.

Ok Michael, thank you.

Possibly the only difference in our thinking is that you are of the opinion that the 'root aspect' is 'consciousness', while I see it as just potential for all possibilities, of which 'consciousness' is one aspect. But that does not stop the possibility of us being able to evolve to detect our 'root aspect', whatever it may turn out to be, in actuality.

It's rather a marvellous thing to exist at all, and to be able to discuss and share this existence, in my opinion. Would be nice to think our children could have the same opportunity.



pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Ok Michael, thank you.

Possibly the only difference in our thinking is that you are of the opinion that the 'root aspect' is 'consciousness', while I see it as just potential for all possibilities, of which 'consciousness' is one aspect. But that does not stop the possibility of us being able to evolve to detect our 'root aspect', whatever it may turn out to be, in actuality.

It's rather a marvellous thing to exist at all, and to be able to discuss and share this existence, in my opinion. Would be nice to think our children could have the same opportunity.



pif.

Actually pif I do not see consciousness as the root aspect at all,the root from which "we"
all stem from I see as the "IS" ness less -that of the Absoute,that is the root I identify
with.

Consciousness is the "field" in which we all "play in",otherwise known as the aether/ether/
or the cloth (soul) of the One.I have focussed on the aspect of consiousness as it befits
this thread,the names are ALL the same really,we tend to become confused by all the
varying names we assign to the SAME thing!

Sharing our experiences are a great way to identify our common heritige,and to get to know one another better.

Will pm you later.

regards michael.

[Fluent Piffle]

...the names are ALL the same really,we tend to become confused by all the varying names we assign to the SAME thing!

Yes, I would say that seems to be correct also! Again perhaps we are closer to a mutual understanding than we currently think?



pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Yes, I would say that seems to be correct also! Again perhaps we are closer to a mutual understanding than we currently think?



pif.

Yes indeed,that could very well be the case pif,confusion arises from the concept
of the many,when we can "see" but ONE all confusion disolves as the mist before
the rising sun?


regards michael.

[Fluent Piffle]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle
Yes, I would say that seems to be correct also! Again perhaps we are closer to a mutual understanding than we currently think?



pif.


Yes indeed,that could very well be the case pif,confusion arises from the concept
of the many,when we can "see" but ONE all confusion disolves as the mist before
the rising sun?

I think that is true also, Michael. This 'concept of the many' though, is something we have had to simply live with, as it has been advantageous to evolve on this Earth by seeing 'separate things'. It is therefore understandable that we should emerge from this kind of thinking, as we become more Cosmologically 'attuned'?

This is why I see both aspects as acceptable. We have really only been 'physical' creatures, until this point when we become aware enough to contemplate the Cosmological. We are not going to stop being 'Earthlings' (while we still exist at all) any time soon, and so we must also live with our traditional 'separations', because that is what we have evolved to know.

But it is this awakening Cosmological understanding ('One-ness', if you like) which only seems to oppose our previous way (many) of physical thinking, whereas, I think they are both necessary components, and should not truly 'oppose' at all.

For me, these feelings of extreme 'bigness' and 'smallness' are representative of a recognition of the 'One and the many', and I just happen to have been existing in a period where this 'cross-over' is manifesting within us 'Earthlings'.



pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

I think that is true also, Michael. This 'concept of the many' though, is something we have had to simply live with, as it has been advantageous to evolve on this Earth by seeing 'separate things'. It is therefore understandable that we should emerge from this kind of thinking, as we become more Cosmologically 'attuned'?

This is why I see both aspects as acceptable. We have really only been 'physical' creatures, until this point when we become aware enough to contemplate the Cosmological. We are not going to stop being 'Earthlings' (while we still exist at all) any time soon, and so we must also live with our traditional 'separations', because that is what we have evolved to know.

But it is this awakening Cosmological understanding ('One-ness', if you like) which only seems to oppose our previous way (many) of physical thinking, whereas, I think they are both necessary components, and should not truly 'oppose' at all.

For me, these feelings of extreme 'bigness' and 'smallness' are representative of a recognition of the 'One and the many', and I just happen to have been existing in a period where this 'cross-over' is manifesting within us 'Earthlings'.



pif.

Thanks pif, I tend to agree with this,man has known for centuries about the One and
the illusion of the many,however today there are many many more who see this basic
reality,much to do with global communication and the internet.We are indeed at a period
of crossing over,and as you say,this is an exciting time to live in!

Psychology is about to undertake its greatest challenge,that of "proving" the existence
of the human soul.when this will be taught at universities,(as it will) within the next 25 years,then mankind will make a giant step into the inclusive world of the understanding
of and acceptance of the "ONE"!

regards michael.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Yes indeed,that could very well be the case pif,confusion arises from the concept
of the many,when we can "see" but ONE all confusion disolves as the mist before
the rising sun?


regards michael.

Lovely thanks michael,
what you say here, reminded me of a very simple and beautiful message in the following video [The nature of Zen] it is well worth watching this little gem.

Thanks for the reminder michael

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XK_4Z5DZcNM

love melanie.

[Fluent Piffle]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Thanks pif, I tend to agree with this,man has known for centuries about the One and
the illusion of the many,however today there are many many more who see this basic
reality,much to do with global communication and the internet.We are indeed at a period
of crossing over,and as you say,this is an exciting time to live in!

Psychology is about to undertake its greatest challenge,that of "proving" the existence
of the human soul.when this will be taught at universities,(as it will) within the next 25 years,then mankind will make a giant step into the inclusive world of the understanding
of and acceptance of the "ONE"!

regards michael.

Yes, the acceptance of what is Real has been our great difficulty. I also feel that the 'many' is also a Reality, but one that has clouded our view of the equally existent 'whole' aspect. Thus, I feel, 'the many' is not actually an 'illusion', but just not the whole 'story'. People are 'many', and yet still one 'race', at one and the same time...Species of, say, birds, are 'many', and yet they are all 'birds', etc...



pif.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Yes, the acceptance of what is Real has been our great difficulty. I also feel that the 'many' is also a Reality, but one that has clouded our view of the equally existent 'whole' aspect. Thus, I feel, 'the many' is not actually an 'illusion', but just not the whole 'story'. People are 'many', and yet still one 'race', at one and the same time...Species of, say, birds, are 'many', and yet they are all 'birds', etc...



pif.

Yes pif,the relative universe we all exist in is "part of the whole story"it reflects a temporal
semblance of reality,an illusion we all are entrenched within,and as you say,birds are many types,and very beautiful to look at (a hobby of mine,bird watching) but are in fact
all birds!

We exist simultaneously within both expressions,outwardly we are relatively temporal
in nature,and inwardly we are eternal and absolute as one and ALL.We can at times become "cross-eyed"as we awaken to our inner promptings we for a while get confused
and lose sight of that which IS.

regards michael