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Yes pif,it is the angle of the dangle that will eventually unrangle the awful tangle that we
have made!

I agree that it is a good idea to get a wider perspective as we can on the whole vision
of appearances as they can be exceedingly deceptive!

Our Eureka moment is when we eventually find ourselves,then the rest just "falls" into
place?Not gravity driven though!


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Why not, Michael? - Are we not 'attracted' to knowledge of the One?



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Many thanks Melanie for the link and your inspiring thoughts.The one appears as so many
it confuses us,I remember a quote from an native American indian called "Silver Birch"
who when asked the question "how many forms of life are there in the universe" replies,
"Just one" but this one life is expressed in an infinite number of ways!

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Yes pif,it is the angle of the dangle that will eventually unrangle the awful tangle that we
have made!

I agree that it is a good idea to get a wider perspective as we can on the whole vision
of appearances as they can be exceedingly deceptive!

Our Eureka moment is when we eventually find ourselves,then the rest just "falls" into
place?Not gravity driven though!


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pif.
The knowledge of the ONE is already who 'we' are
so there is no one to be ''attracted'' to anything,
the assumed one who is being attracted to something, is not separate
from that which it is attracted to,
how can what IS be attracted to IT'S ALREADY self evident- ness ?
ONE WITH THE KNOWING.

Gravity is ONE with everything else, it is a part of the same mechanism
that is not separate from the WHOLE mechanism.

Also pif, i thought you might be interested in this clever little piece of writing......
very clear and simple.....practically wordless but packs a mighty punch nonetheless.

Whatever we
turn toward is God
the ONE
that has no second.
What ever we
turn away from
is that same ONE

CHECK MATE


do you like that

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The knowledge of the ONE is already who 'we' are
so there is no one to be ''attracted'' to anything,
the assumed one who is being attracted to something, is not separate
from that which it is attracted to,
how can what IS be attracted to IT'S ALREADY self evident- ness ?
ONE WITH THE KNOWING.

Gravity is ONE with everything else, it is a part of the same mechanism
that is not separate from the WHOLE mechanism.

Also pif, i thought you might be interested in this clever little piece of writing......
very clear and simple.....practically wordless but packs a mighty punch nonetheless.

Whatever we
turn toward is God
the ONE
that has no second.
What ever we
turn away from
is that same ONE

CHECK MATE


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You are asking me whether I am attracted to it, or not!

- I am not! This particular item seems to uphold your notion of Gravity, and does not attract me in the slightest! Whenever I see the word 'God' now, it just reminds me of the sad cases of child abuse I keep reading about in the news. I guess that doesn't matter, as we are all One with ALL the monsters as well! Perhaps it can be seen from this, that a certain amount of 'separation' is sometimes advantageous?


I was rather hoping Michael could speak for himself though, as we were having quite a nice conversation on the matter.




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- I am not! This particular item seems to uphold your notion of Gravity, and does not attract me in the slightest! Whenever I see the word 'God' now, it just reminds me of the sad cases of child abuse I keep reading about in the news. I guess that doesn't matter, as we are all One with ALL the monsters as well! Perhaps it can be seen from this, that a certain amount of 'separation' is sometimes advantageous?

I was rather hoping Michael could speak for himself though, as we were having quite a nice conversation on the matter.
Sorry pif, i apologize most sincerely for butt in into your nice conversation with michael, michael can for sure speak for himself.


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You are asking me whether I am attracted to it, or not!

- I am not! This particular item seems to uphold your notion of Gravity, and does not attract me in the slightest! Whenever I see the word 'God' now, it just reminds me of the sad cases of child abuse I keep reading about in the news. I guess that doesn't matter, as we are all One with ALL the monsters as well! Perhaps it can be seen from this, that a certain amount of 'separation' is sometimes advantageous?


I was rather hoping Michael could speak for himself though, as we were having quite a nice conversation on the matter.




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Sure thing pif,however there is room for all parties to contribute!

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"Unless you link yourself to true emptiness, you will never understand the way of peace." "Dare to find the harmony within."
O Sensei, The Art of Peace

ps, i found this quote on NOBODY'S thread, i liked it ..

Thanks Melanie,there is a vast gulf within,and to the newly awakened traveler it
is indeed a scary place,endlessness in all directions,nowhere to hide,all is revealing,
feeling naked,and vulnerable,all these sensations arise within the traveler,then when
the pressure suggests retreat,you momentarly hesitate,boldness arises from deep within,
and a feeling of great warmth settles upon you,the sun has arisen within the quester and
all is found to be exceedingly well.



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