Is Natural Selection a Belief or a Fact

[Drifter]

Matter is Spirit in Form.


Subatomic particles are simply

energy packets. You are a cluster of energy, so is everything else.

A cluster of energy is always in motion, moving and changing to form new configuration at every moment.

The table that is in your dining room is not as solid as it appears to be. On a highly magnified level, you


would realize that it is in constant flux, “losing” and “gaining” billions of energy packets, but intelligently


maintaining the overall “look” of a table.

There is a consciousness that keeps the energy in that particular

form

.

All Matter is Energy In-Formation.


When something is no longer observed by consciousness, it will cease to exist by unmanifesting back into

a state of quantum potentiality or Quanta, Energy. That’s the reason why the bible says that it is

Christ

(The Superconscious), who holds all things in the universe together

. Scientist says that all the electrons

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and subatomic particles of an atom are held together in their precise position and orbit by an

invisible

force

, by which without it, everything would fall apart and reality as we know it, would cease to exist in an

instant.

Christ the center of the universe, whose center is everywhere but circumference nowhere. Christ is the


Superconscious, Information and infinite intelligence.

Ultimately all matter, energy and information are one and the same.

All matter is energy, all energy is

information. Information is thought, thought is consciousness.

Consciousness is Mind.

The Universal Construct is Mind.

There are no answers that will satisfy a grasping and desirous mind.

The only answer is not within the mind et al.

Only pointers (point to) can lead the way,
"Intuition"[the voice of the Soul 'and our lost Sense' gives/' <shares>' with us] as signposts.

The last is by the Grace of God, and solely in His Embrace.

If we listen.

Without, there is no Hope et al

D.

[MJA]

All is truly One.

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[mkirkpatrick]

All is truly One.

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That works both ways as well MJA,for one is truly ALL!

regards michael.

[SB_UK]

There are no answers that will satisfy a grasping and desirous mind.

The only answer is not within the mind et al.

Only pointers (point to) can lead the way,
"Intuition"[the voice of the Soul 'and our lost Sense' gives/' <shares>' with us] as signposts.

The last is by the Grace of God, and solely in His Embrace.

If we listen.

Without, there is no Hope et al

D.

Precisely.

Nothing found in the physical world or even the psychological realm can bring lasting deep satisfaction. [Buddhism]

I'd really like to know why people, generally, don't seem to be able to understand Drifter's (religion's) idea.

I don't need people to accept it - just to understand it.

As Drifter knows - there's a transition in mind (wisdom) required before the grasping (for stuff and knowledge) personality is discarded
- and so I'm not expecting people to embrace the idea
(yet)

just to understand it.

Understand it (the words) and explore the idea -
and it's only a matter of time before people will 'get' (the transition to wisdom) it.

The human mind isn't 'there' until the individual acquires wisdom.

The problem with wisdom is that it battles against knowledge (belief systems eg in academia and not just religious fundamentalists), where knowledge seeks not to deeply understand (to 'get' it) (a characteristic of wisdom)
- and only to win (competition).

The not yet mind (pre-wisdom) behaves like the selfish gene - competitively for victory.
The mind (wisdom) behaves collaboratively.

This idea takes us along a train of thoughts which concludes that many human beings go to their death without actually having a mind.

What happens when a collaborative entity meets a competitive entity.
Especially when the competitive entity has the most remarkable collection of weapons (the sophist lawyer politcian).

Wisdom down.

You can't reason with barbarians.

eg Socrates (wisdom) versus Sophists (barbarians - only for money competitive rabid baboons).

[SB_UK]

The last is by the Grace of God, and solely in His Embrace.

If we listen.

Without, there is no Hope et al

D.

This section requires repetition.

It might mean nothing to people (initially) and might require a couple of explanatory sentences
- however -

it's all people need to grasp (effectively ToE)

- that there's a path out of the darkness of material world / knowledge system attachment into the light.

When in the light - there're no requirements which the individual has for happiness.

No further need to prove himself/herself.

There is no way for any human being to prove themself.

That's all just a consequence of material world attachments.

So - a reward/motivational system change which occurs at the level of the mind (upon formation of the mind/wisdom) -
- after which your/one's life is your own.

Perhaps there are a couple of requirements at wisdom.

Sun (heat) and not to have been injured by 'health care' (eg poor birthing procedures which twist our back) or by the primitive reward system up (eg dental disease through 'desire' (primitive reward system) for blood glucose elevation) until transition.

It'll really cast a shadow over 'bliss' if walking/bending is not possible, if we're in constant pain from gum disease etc ... ... ...

The point is that there's a lifestyle required prior to wisdom, to permit the freedom state of wisdom to be enjoyed.

A swift hammer stroke to Buddha's toe would have caused him pain.

That's not the pain/suffering which the transition to wisdom alleviates.

[melanie]

I'd really like to know why people, generally, don't seem to be able to understand Drifter's (religion's) idea.

I don't need people to accept it - just to understand it.

As Drifter knows - there's a transition in mind (wisdom) required before the grasping (for stuff and knowledge) personality is discarded
- and so I'm not expecting people to embrace the idea
(yet)

just to understand it.

I don't mean to have a dig here, just saying it how it is.

Most, if not all people posting here do understand Drifter's idea. Drift needs to understand that, clearly, he doesn't.


It's just that not all want to discuss the same message many times over and over,rather they want to share some of their own perspectives.
Are we not all just saying the same things anyway, albeit in our own way?

People are free to talk about their personal knowledge without distraction, not have their threads constantly flooded with Drifts ideas.
People have commented on this before, and I never thought I'd be the one to agree with them.
It's ok to share something, but not ram it down the throat cursing and being rude when the message is not accepted or agreed with.

Drifter is happy to dish it out but seems unable to take it, so then resorts to rudeness and insults.

Let's take Austin's work, he knows what he is talking about in my opinion, yet he gets accused of always talking about the wrong 'I'
So what if posters decide not to speak from an esoteric nature.

These are my opinions, you can all think what you like about my opinions, I'm just saying, because we all like to say our piece.
I'm not here to gain anything nor do I care about what people think about me or whether they even like me. I'm here to discuss the TOE from all angles.

[melanie]

When people are sharing ideas, no matter how much they think they know or understand something, there will aways be someone who is smarter.That's when the ego gets involved unavoidably so. One does not have any argument with itself.



This is for Drift.

[SB_UK]

The ToE loses its power when too many words are associated with it.
The basic message of transformation - which is (itself) transformational - ceases to work its magic - when people become confused.

That's all really.

Simply does it - or we may find (As has happened throughout history) that all people confound one another - talking at cross purposes.

The simple message of ToE - that human beings like the frog or butterfly undergo a metamorphosis - mind-dependent - a transformation which (amusingly) dissipates mind (attachment to knowledge)
- and that happiness ('bliss') isn't possible until the transition/transformation/metamorphosis is undergone.

We don't actually need any maths, science, philosophy - particularly -
- just the various religious texts (taken together) are enough
- as a guide.

Though - even they aren't absolutely necessary.

The problem with mathematical/non-mathematical sciences is that people don't understand them - forces the individual into blindly accepting the 'expert's' opinion
- which of course serves no purpose (in fact takes the individual backwards) from the task of building a framework model (within their mind) of how reality hangs together.

How does reality hang together ?

A set of evolutionary (emergent) events which occur to a fixed geometric pattern encoded by a fundamental substance or God.

God (fundamental substance, metalevel) encodes its own evolutionary (geometric) series - a sequential series of evolutionary deliverables to informational complexity.

It's (an understanding of reality) just not very hard - as long as we go the extra distance to ensure that when we speak - our words are understood.

Speaking with and not at.

Ultimately though - both before and after transition 'chop wood, collect water'.

Just that afterwards, wood chopping and water collection isn't spent with an overactive mind dreaming up a list of a thousand and one 'goals' which the individual believes he'll be happy, when achieved.

[SB_UK]

yet he gets accused of always talking about the wrong 'I'

'I' and 'my' aren't words which are easy to use.

They're so closely attached to 'ego'.

Without ego - there's a reason why 'I' do things - meaning that the subjective nature of 'I' is discarded for a rational basis to decisions
- which feels as if it's debased by using the term 'I'.

'I' feels as though it's intimately associated with the individual and has no wider applicability.
Talking about oneself instead of answering other people's needs mindfully.

'I' associates more with the talking 'at' frame of mind
- the talking to be heard talking

rather than desire to communicate meaningfully.

I agree - 'I' is a difficult word to use.

Objectifying the individual oneself/him/herself serves to support a mind which makes an island (separate) out of the individual - taking the individual away from his/her (particularly at the level of mind) - shared (with the species) heritage.

MJA and others push us to push the connection further, beyond the species construct of mind - through interconnectedness, into the phenomenological Universe - further perhaps into the pre-phenomenological Universe ~that is~ the infinite/eternal substrate upon which we (every thing) and before structuring (no thing) is founded.

To be honest though - all of this little, just needs to be understood so that we can make society more social.

Words are so easy to generate.

Flood the mind space with ideas which people don't understand - and no change arises.

There needs to be some effort to speak the same language as others.

Simple language.

And with that will come change.

Will come change - because people'll see (if appropriate language is used) that all others are just as tired of the nastiness which a competive/consumerist/rapacious society demands.

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[Mikal]

I don't mean to have a dig here, just saying it how it is.

Most, if not all people posting here do understand Drifter's idea. Drift needs to understand that, clearly, he doesn't.


It's just that not all want to discuss the same message many times over and over,rather they want to share some of their own perspectives.
Are we not all just saying the same things anyway, albeit in our own way?

People are free to talk about their personal knowledge without distraction, not have their threads constantly flooded with Drifts ideas.
People have commented on this before, and I never thought I'd be the one to agree with them.
It's ok to share something, but not ram it down the throat cursing and being rude when the message is not accepted or agreed with.

Drifter is happy to dish it out but seems unable to take it, so then resorts to rudeness and insults.

Let's take Austin's work, he knows what he is talking about in my opinion, yet he gets accused of always talking about the wrong 'I'
So what if posters decide not to speak from an esoteric nature.

These are my opinions, you can all think what you like about my opinions, I'm just saying, because we all like to say our piece.
I'm not here to gain anything nor do I care about what people think about me or whether they even like me. I'm here to discuss the TOE from all angles.

One day a man sat contemplating on the side of a great river. In comparison to the immensity of the river the man was a mere speck.
The river pondered ‘how great am I, for I could wash entirely unto the shore to engulf this man—but it is in my essence to only send out a small wave so as to leave the man in his contemplation. I must be kind, it must simply be in my nature to be kind.’ I have been fooled, the fury belongs to the storm, not to I.’


Kind regards Mikal