[Guille]

I make this thread for anyone to comment what they think about astral projection. Here I give a few possible questions to discuss:

Do you believe in it? why/why not?
If you do, what is your description of it, and in what way is it experienced?
Is it ''real'' or only an experience created by the mind?
In what form of existence to we experience it (body, mind, soul-ether...)?
Will we ever be able to prove it or disprove it with an experiment? If so, what kind of experiment do you think it would/could be? Why that kind?

Is it a type of (or connected to) time travel? why/why not? If so, how?

etz...

There are many many things to say....

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by <<<GUILLE>>> is there any proposed measurement for time travlle all ready? Well, what I think is that ithe measurements should be in able to work with mixturing them with the space and other measurements. The formuals of time should also include this measurements, to be able to wrok between them. I have thought about using seconds per minute or something like this. Using more, would be littile scientific, although maybe more efficient to machines (like in cars, we use km/h not m/s, so in time machines, i could be s/hours...). The problem with this is coming to acceleration. How could you do a formula of acceleration for time travell? would it be: (ft-it)/t? were t= time, f= final and i=inicial. What other formula's of time travell would you use/introduce/create? what measurements do ou think should be used in time travell?

If you included astral travel,one can easily move in and out of time,back to the past,or forward to the future?
regards michael.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick If you included astral travel,one can easily move in and out of time,back to the past,or forward to the future? regards michael.

What do you mean by 'astral travel'? I don't think I believe in it...

[baudrunner]

If you included astral travel,one can easily move in and out of time,back to the past,or forward to the future?

I'm not sure about moving in and out of time, unless you perceive astral travel as merely a lucid dreaming experience wherein anything can happen. However, I am convinced that moving around in the spiritual world does involve instantaneous teleportation of a sort. And this is in keeping with quantum theory, that is to say, no less disturbing than QM itself, which has been shown to display this phenomenon.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by <<<GUILLE>>> What do you mean by 'astral travel'? I don't think I believe in it...

What I mean my friend, is that when we sleep. We can and do leave our physical bodies, and use our finer etheric body, to move as and where we choose! It is a perfectly normal and natural phenomena, all of us do it, whether you believe or not, you are not really given a choice, being a
normal natural phenomena,it is the outworking of natural law.many can and indeed do recall some of there travelling, others do not, maybe you are one of those thatat present, does not recall, butlater in your lifetime this may very well change!

kind regards michael

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by baudrunner I'm not sure about moving in and out of time, unless you perceive astral travel as merely a lucid dreaming experience wherein anything can happen. However, I am convinced that moving around in the spiritual world does involve instantaneous teleportation of a sort. And this is in keeping with quantum theory, that is to say, no less disturbing than QM itself, which has been shown to display this phenomenon.

That is a very interesting point you made there Baud,I have never considered this aspect in relation to quantum theory.You have given me somsthing to ponder on. Thank you.

kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick What I mean my friend,is that when we sleep.we can and do leave our physical bodies,and use our finer etheric body,to move as and where we choose!It is a perfectly normal and natural phenomena,all of us do it,whether you believe or not,you are not really given a choice,being a normal natural phenomena,it is the outworking of natural law.many can and indeed do recall some of there travelling,others do not,maybe you are one of those thatat present,does not recall,butlater in your lifetime this may very well change! kind regards michael

We don't leave our body. When we have dreams, our body doesn't move because (and this has been PROVEN by scientists) the muscles in oru body would explode if they had to move as fast as to cove a whole dream in 2 or 3 seconds (those are the real lengths of dreams). Only our eyes are the only muscles which move, and in fact if you open the eyes of someone while shaivng a dream, you'll see they move tremendeouslly fast, it evne looks asif they are going to explode or something (I've done it). Of course, time is different, but that is a product of sub.consciousness, jsut as everything else in the dream, it is our self vommiting, that is te definition of dreams 8from a psicological point of view).

[baudrunner]

Guille, this subject interests you, and I believe that someday you will have the experience of "astral projection". However, on a personal note, I would like to point out that your skepticism is an obstacle and this can influence you subconsciously. You must first open your mind and accept the possibility that you are a spirit inhabiting a corporeal form and that you can experience the realization of that while this form is still alive.

The out of body experience is exceptional and rare. It does not happen everytime you dream, for the images of your dreams are merely abstract visualizations occuring in your occipital lobe as rationalized reconstructions of some previous experience - physical, emotional, or mental, that are connected to your memories, and while many people claim that they do not remember their dreams, everybody has them and almost everybody can recall vivid dreams when they awake. The articulation, or sense that one's dreams have, are a function of the satisfaction that one derives in general from one's life and from the constructive application of one's self in one's day to day doings. As one matures, one's dreams begin to make more sense. Let me qualify that by saying that one's dreams should begin to make more sense as one matures.

Much research has been done on dreams, and you will find that books have been written about the out of body experience as well, and these experiences are not exclusively limited to near-death experiences although they are related.

It is an interesting subject and worthy of some attention if you have the time this summer. I can tell that you have a serious interest in it by your somewhat stubborn refusal to accept the possibility. A freudian thing, you know.

Incidentally, I have read that the greatest portion of our mass is bacterial. When you include the mass of all the water that is also a part of us what do we have left if not energy?

[HappytheStripper]

Astral Projection and the related abilities of Out of
Body Experiences and Lucid Dreaming............

Of course, the number one question of all is "how can I
project" or words to that effect. Literally tens of thousands if
not hundreds of thousands of people have at some time or another
attempted Astral Projection but unfortunately given up after
limited or no success, often after using difficult "mystical"
methods that are beyond the ability of most people to achieve
easily or at all which is quite understandable.

Most people are aware of at least some of the profound benefits of
Astral Projection, which of course makes a lack of success all the
more frustrating, but for for those not yet familiar with the
benefits, here are just a few of them:

1. Greater awareness of the true nature of "reality". People who
experience an existence beyond the confines of the physical body
are plain and simple transformed forever. The world today is in the
sd ad stet it is in due largely to the fact that most people focus
on and believe that the physical world is the only reality, have
only one opportunity to "live", and are determined to make the most
of it at all costs. It is the "at all costs" aspect that is
particularly damaging and continues to be so.

2. Astral Projection is a means by which anyone can personally
verify their own immortal, Spiritual, indestructible nature. Having
experienced life separate from the physical body, the projector is
left in no doubt about the continuity of life after the event
erroneously known as "death", and as a result of which the fear of
"death" disappears forever.

3. Following on from the above, people immediately understand that
the process known as "death" is actually an amazing, profound,
glorious Spiritual adventure, and one to look forward to rather
than to dread. Of course it is always most important to keep in
mind that we are all, every one of us here for a purpose, and it is
our duty to fulfil that purpose. Failure to do so means a missed
opportunity and often the need to return to "get it right" next
time.

4. Increasing desire for knowledge. Once you realise that this
planet Earth is but a tiny aspect of the life and of the Universe,
there is an all consuming desire to learn more, and that desire
alone will cause the Universe to respond to that desire.

5. Increased Psychic abilities. Out of Body experiences almost
always activate a psychic abilities such as clairvoyance,
mediumship, ESP etc..

6. Power of Healing: While out of body healing potential and
abilities are enhanced dramatically and many things become possible
that might by the uninformed be regarded as "miraculous". As we
know from previous newsletters all ailments, dis-eases, illnesses
etc. originate from the inner Energy levels of our Being. The
outer, physical shell is merely an observable reflection of those
dis-eases. Out of body the origins of the dis-ease can be observed
and cured by the powers of the Mind alone.

7. Powers of the Mind and The Law of Attraction: This benefit is
extremely important! We have discussed at length how we all create
our own reality by our predominant thoughts. To many people who
have not been able to verify this absolutely immutable Universal
reality in can be difficult to grasp. However, due to the much
higher levels of vibration and correspondingly lower density of
Energy levels beyond the physical world, we can actually observe
our thoughts taking shape, leaving us in no doubt about this
process. We can actually observe that the more we focus on
something the more "tangible" it becomes. Due to the high density
and low vibration of the physical world this process can take more
effort and a longer time to achieve, but the important thing to
remember is that there is only one set of Universal Laws, and if it
applies to Energy levels beyond the physical, then it must also
apply to the physical itself. Knowing this means more freedom and
the ability to create our own reality as any doubts about the truth
of The Law of Attraction and creating reality with our thoughts are
erased forever.

8. Much enhanced rates of personal evolution. Having experienced,
at first hand the truth of our own Spiritual nature, and knowing,
beyond all doubt that everything we have learned in theory is also
true in practice, then any doubts are cast aside and we become free
to evolve at a much greater rate. We become free, or as the saying
goes: "and ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you
free". Make absolutely no mistake on this; the truth will set you
free!

9. Meeting with "deceased" people. Yes; this is a big issue! Out of
body we are free to travel anywhere within the personal limits of
our personal evolutionary vibration which is a function or our
individual state of evolution or "Spiritual perfection". This means
that we can usually visit anyone who has previously made the
transition simply by thinking about them and being in their
presence. During such meetings we can obtain facts that only the
"deceased" person will know, and subsequently verify it upon
returning to the physical body. This alone provided considerable
comfort to many, knowing that their loved ones, having passed over
are "alive", well and happier than ever they were on Earth. And
yes, you can indeed also meet with other "projectors", regardless
of their physical location on Earth, and enjoy Astral activities
together, or simply as a way of saving your plane fare!

10. Respect for all Life. This is something I discuss at length in
Our Ultimate Reality because it really is so important. When out of
body the truth of the Universe and all Life is absolutely beyond
all doubt. No longer do we view human beings as being "special" in
some way. We know that we are not the "chosen ones" selected by
"God" to "rule" the Earth at the expense of all other life forms.
We know, beyond any possible doubt that we are an equal aspect of
the Universe, of All that Is". Just because life manifests in
different forms on Earth, each with unique abilities, does not mean
that one life form is any less important than any other; we differ
only in abilities and individual purpose. We know, beyond any doubt
that there is no such thing as separation. Everything is an aspect
of everything else and in turn of the Universe, of "God", and
whatever we do to any aspect of the Universe we equally do to
ourselves. This is an important aspect of "karma" which is in turn
an aspect of the great Universal law of "cause and effect" from
which there is no escape. Plain and simple; treat any other life
form, Being or any other Energy configuration badly, and there will
always be a price to pay. This is not some form of Divine
retribution but rather the straightforward workings of immutable
Universal Laws which are observable when out of body.

The famous profits of history, the founder of the orthodox
religions of the world for example Jesus, Mohammed, Joseph Smith
and lesser known prophets where all accomplished Astral Projectors,
and received their knowledge, for the most part, while out of body.
For example, when biblical writings talk about "climbing the
mountain" and returning with "commandments" etc., this was not a
physical act of donning the contemporary equivalent of hiking boots
and climbing gear in order to scale some fictitious heights,
"climbing the mountain" is a symbolic term for "ascending levels of
consciousness". There are numerous symbolic references in religious
texts to Out of Body Experiences.

Abraham Maslow stated, most accurately:

"The very beginning, the intrinsic core, the essence, the universal
nucleus of every known high religion, has been the private, lonely,
personal illumination, revelation, or ecstasy of some acutely
sensitive prophet or seer".

So these are just 10 of an infinite number of benefits for
achieving the ability of Astral Projection and Out of Body
Experiences generally. There are numerous other benefits.

By now many of you might be feeling worse than ever at missing out
on these benefits. Well to those feeling this way I apologise, that
was not my intention. My intention is to provide you with the
benefits so that you will be more motivated than ever to discover
the truth for yourself. If everyone in the world were to practice
leaving the physical body, the Earth would be transformed into what
could truly be "the kingdom of Heaven on Earth".

I realise of course that numerous people have attempted Out of Body
Experiences and have sooner or later given up in frustration. This
is largely due to reading books containing "mystical" procedures
for Out of Body Experiences, which, although interesting to read
about, are beyond the overwhelming number of people.

Astral Projection, the Out of Body Experience, Lucid Dreaming and
other such abilities are abilities inherent in all of us when
approached in a natural way rather than by mystical methods which
seem to have a different agenda for their proponents.

But today I would like to provide you with some hope. Everyone,
without exception is already a master of Astral Projection!

When we sleep our Energy Body "projects" out of phase with our
physical body in order to absorbe Energy, also known as many other
things such as "Prana" and "Chi" so we can wake up feeling
refreshed and hopefully "bursting with Energy".

However, normally this inner projection is "unconscious" that is to
say we are not aware of it. Many of you might have experienced the
return to your physical body in the form of suddenly awaking with a
"jolt" as if falling from a great height, This is the Energy or
Astral body rejoining the physical body.

Sometimes we might awake in state of paralysis or "catalepsy." In
these cases the Energy or Astral body has not completely re-joined
the physical body, and the centre of awareness is still located in
the Astral or Energy body rather than the physical body, resulting
in a lack of control over the physical body.

The point here is that, whether realising it or now, Astral
Projection is not, or at least should not be some form of mystical
mumbo jumbo reserved for the elite few who have the time to spend
hours each day on some convoluted Out of Body Experience method, it
is within the reach of all of us.

Astral Projection and OBE, differ according to the Energy level being projected to.

If a thought in your mind is not consistent with the reality you would wish for then immediately dismiss it and replace it with a thought that is..
however large, improbable or grandiose it might seem everything is
possible!

[mkirkpatrick]

Well now where do we start,excellent topic young man,and thread starter.
Is it real you ask,well yes it is real,as real as any other natural occurance,
that is,because leaving thebody while asleep,and on occasions when awake
is a perfectly natural occurance,and we all do it,it is just that many fail to
remember there experiences when awake,but as time passes this often changes,and brief snippits are remembered.The etheric,or astral body is an
exact replica of the physical body,only madeof finer material?It is still physical matter,but of a much finer quality than the dence physical.the atoms that make up etheric body are of a higher frequency,and can pass
through "solid" walls.Can you travel in timewhen out of the body,well you
can look into the Akashic record,which is like an immense photographic
film,registering all the desires and earth experiences of our planet.There
you can visit time past.If one practices meditation then in some deeper states of consciousness youcan leave the body while fully awake.

kind regards michael.