[Guille]

You might have noticed that the title of this thread has the word proving written in capital letters. That is, because souls have to be proved, before being spoke about them.

If you think you can prove souls, I invite you do to this. If you know any philosopher that has proven souls, or better said, non-corporeal existence (proving can be philosophical, empirical, scientific....), then post his/her demonstration or give me a link.

I don't believe in souls, noncorporeal existence, god.....nearly in nothing. But I do love to hear demonstrations of their existence and discussing about them, becuase they are interesting themes and I have a lot to say about it.

[AntonioLao]

souls are equivalent to ghost fields of quantum field theories. To see it, a quantum particle must first be isolated from the ghost fields. This is equivalent to finding the Higgs boson and the graviton. Both of them are located in the ghost fields. If reality is the composition of a painting then the ghost field is the background. Without the background nothing exist.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao souls are equivalent to ghost fields of quantum field theories. To see it, a quantum particle must first be isolated from the ghost fields. This is equivalent to finding the Higgs boson and the graviton. Both of them are located in the ghost fields. If reality is the composition of a painting then the ghost field is the background. Without the background nothing exist.

When you say ghost, please, describe the meaning of the word in our use.

There is another question I want to do to all who believe in souls, and, in what state of matter are souls? gas, liquid, solid? what is it made of: what particles and elements? is it another element? is it another state of matter?

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE When you say ghost, please, describe the meaning...

There are vacuum field, energy field, matter field, rice field, battle field, baseball field, football field, etc. The quanta of the baseball field are the players, the bats, one ball, the bases, and other distinguishable objects.
The quanta of the football field are again the players, the one and only ball.
The quanta of the energy field are the bosons: photons, W+, W-, Z0, gluons, graviton, Higgs boson. The quanta of the matter field are the fermions: quarks and leptons.

The quanta of the true vacuum field are the ghost particles. Since graviton, Higgs, and magnetic monopole cannot be found they belong to the ghost field.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao There are vacuum field, energy field, matter field, rice field, battle field, baseball field, football field, etc. The quanta of the baseball field are the players, the bats, one ball, the bases, and other distinguishable objects. The quanta of the football field are again the players, the one and only ball. The quanta of the energy field are the bosons: photons, W+, W-, Z0, gluons, graviton, Higgs boson. The quanta of the matter field are the fermions: quarks and leptons. The quanta of the true vacuum field are the ghost particles. Since graviton, Higgs, and magnetic monopole cannot be found they belong to the ghost field.

What are magnetic monopoles, and what do the ghost particles and scientific hypothesis have to do with religious and philosophical ghosts or souls?

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE what are magentic monopoles? and what do the ghost particles and scientific hypothesis have to do with religious and phylosifcal ghosts or souls?

magnetic monopoles are the sources and sinks of magnetic flux density (lines). These lines come out from the source points and end at the sink points. The things that move between source and sink are also monopoles.

The existence of the soul is based on faith for all religions and subjected to debates for all philosophical discussions.

Scientifically, the soul is related to the quanta of vacuum field. The quantum fluctuations and vacuum polarizations of ghost particles create virtual particles: virtual photons, electrons, positrons; virtual quarks, virtual leptons, virtual baryons, virtual mesons, etc. For the virtuals of photon, electron, positron: they have been found by high energy experiments. But all these virtual particles cannot be experimentally transformed into real stable particles (note: relatively speaking, long life particles. But keep in mind that the lifespan of a human being is practically nothing compared to the life of the sun and the life of a proton is now accepted to be greater than 10 to the power 33). if these virtual particles could become real particles we would have limitless energy for our use.

[Marketa]

ghosts? souls?
I can prove that you can prove anything if you believe in it.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by Marketa ghosts? souls? I can prove that you can prove anything if you believe in it.

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Prove it, then. PS: paradox of your paradox: I can prove that when you say you can prove that I can prove anything if I believe in it, is your belief of this proof.

[Marketa]

Nice one. I simply love paradoxes. )

But still: you can prove anything if you believe in it. It depends on the system "inside" which you prove. E.g. mathematics: I can prove that 7 + 7 = 2 (riddle for you). And I can even prove it INSIDE mathematics. In fact, I can prove anything in mathematics that is not in antagonism with definitions. And definitions are what? They are something we just believe in. )

[Guille]

I know its not the correct thread, but at it is mine, and we don't have a math forum, please tell me how you can mathematically prove that 7+7=2

I have never heard of it. But I have read demostrations of 1=2 (or 2=1), my favorite one is Bertrand Russell's when he was asked to prove that if 2+2=5 that he was the pope, while explaining that from a wrong statement we can get to any kind of stupid statement.

I have myself created two demonstrations (very common ones: many people know them) that 0.999....=1 or vice versa.