[sillysally]

Originally Posted by stevemc2 How did you know you could remotely view? Did you learn it from a book or course? Farsight.org offers courses, so do others. How about some more details please?

It just happens spontaneously, I didn't know that's what it was until someone mentioned it to me. I never learnt it from anywhere, it happens in a relaxed state of mind before I drift off to sleep. I usually see random people before they are murdered. I can only see from one angle, usually right in front of the person, and I can feel the fear (the people about to be killed). I don't see the killers.

I would say I'm an open-minded skeptic.

I agree with you, I think it's hard to believe others. I don't claim to be a psychic and I don't use this to exploit myself. I think that makes a difference in the authenticity of the experience. I don't think it can be forced or trained.

At this point I'm mostly interested in how the 'experts' such as Brown and Radin use quantum mechanical theories to explain the phenomenon.

When you mentioned that, I think the quantum leap I took into the past, even before I was a human being, is something that is a long long way from being explained. It's impossible because everyone is too worried about after death to consider what is happening before life.

[stevemc2]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick You are right to be skeptical Pat .However the CİA spent millıons of dollars on the program.and so too dıd the Russıans. İ dont thınk they would have wasted millions of dollars on a wıshful notıon do you! İ personally accept thıs as a real faculty of mankınd.just that we dont know how to use it.

I'd be alot more skeptical also, and as it stands now, I'm moderately skeptical. What decreases my severe skepticism to moderate is the number of scientists and engineers who believe 'psi' abilities such as remote viewing exists, and they back up their views with what appear to be reliable statistics. I have studied statistics (and accounting) and know full well that a talented statistician (or accountant) can make numbers back up almost any argument.
(Hey I'm not insinuating statisticians or accountants are a dishonest group! )

Anyway, I found Dean Radin's book, "Entangled Minds," to contain a very convincing amount of information supporting 'psi'. Also, Courtney Brown's book, "Remote Viewing: The Science and Theory of Nonphysical Perception," is somewhat convincing.
Yet I have to see it to believe it, and do my own 'stats' after I see it.

I recommend these 2 books for skeptics.

Also, here are a few scientists who have studied or believed psi exists:
Sir Francis Bacon, Sir Wm. Crookes, Wolfgang Pauli, Alan Turing, John Eccles, astronaut Edgar Mitchell, scientists at Sony's ESPER lab, Robt. Jahn and scientists at the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab, someone at the U.S. Patent Office who issued patent no. 5830064 for a psi-operated electronic switch, Wm. Tiller, Dr. Ian Stephenson, etc...... Also Einstein wrote the preface to Upton Sinclair's book on psi, "The Mental Radio"...

Oh yeah, the govt. is not shy about using your tax dollars on what some think is ridiculous, for example SETI, and an extensive GAO report on Roswell from a few years back, which I assume wasn't cheap.

stevemc2

[Mikal]

After my experience of "awakening" I had an experience with what Courtney Brown calls, "non-physical perception." This was an unbidden experience which occurred after a family tragedy while I was in a profound emotionally sensitive state. I think sensitivity and a power point connection between and with all the sensory system are two elements that must be present for the occurrance of this experience and as Sally says one must be in a relaxed state with the chaotic impressions of life minimalized and in a sense faded away.
I am a spiritual person and my walk with God is private conversations no different than if I were to walk and discuss with you. It was in one of these conversations where I was asking for understanding of a pertinent person in my life. Instantaneously, a presence I felt as a force struck me, flipped me backwards and I found myself watching from somekind of balcony or ledge which allowed me to look down into an immense and endless space.
A scene proceeded to play out in which I perceived this pertinent person as a child reading a book to a lady I sensed to be his mother. I did not know her nor had I ever met her. I observed the furnishings in the room and layout of the parts of the house I was shown. As he read beams of light I could only express as expressions of love streamed from the mother's face. Then a voice filled this immense space expressing a very personal statement, (which I will not repeat out of respect for this man) about this person's life. I then observed this person leave the room, go up three steps, enter his door to the left and place the book under his bed. The scene then speeded up to such excelleration it was like I was taking info in rapidly without perceiving it.
The next morning when I woke up I was filled with the strongest urges to go and purchase a dozen roses and have them sent to my friend at work. I followed the urge, selecting beautiful yellow roses. I went on with my day only to get a call from work telling me that my friend had received the roses which overjoyed him and then was followed by another call telling him his mother had just passed away.
Although I did not know or had ever seen his mom I went to the wake to pay my respects. As I walked in and up to the casket and family I looked at the displayed picture of a much younger mom sitting atop the casket. It was the lady in the scene...I somewhat lost my composure and my friend rushed to me, put his arms around me and held me. I did not tell him what had jarred me.
Three months later I told him that I had, had a strange experience in my attempt to understand him. I told him why his mother's picture jarred me. I explained to him that I knew he loved to read to his mother when he was a child, I explained to him that about 10, he lived in a house with this specific layout describing everything to him. He was floored to say the least that I had described his childhood home and the lifetime home of his parents. I described his sofa, his mom's dress..he went to see his dad and then brought me pictures to show that I had really been allowed to peer into a specific moment in his life.
He was perplexed and then ask me when this happened. I told him it was the night before his mom left this earth. He ask me if I knew his mom would die because the roses had arrived at such a specific moment. He said, "I will never forget rushing out of work with those beautiful yellow roses which were so joyfully rushing me into my time of goodbyes and sadness." Is it fact or fiction...decide for yourself...to the experiencer non-physical perception is more real and vivid than some of our moments with our physical eyes.

[stevemc2]

In between reading "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" by Lee Smolin, and in "the other corner", I re-read Brian Greene's 'The Elegant Universe', I read an interesting book by a former Army remote viewer named David Morehouse. Book was "Psychic Warrior." Morehouse claims in his book that all the 1995 stories in which remote viewing was 'de-bunked' was actually a bogus story to throw off everyone from the fact that remote viewing did in fact work. Morehouse now runs his own remote viewing school at www.davidmorehouse.com.

Anyway, I got something else from his book that I wasn't looking for (serendipity) in he lists one of the early remote viewing investigators as Harold Puthoff. So I checked out Puthoff's website, (he's out of the remote viewing business and into the 'vacuum energy' or 'zero point field' area now.) One thing led to another, and I found several papers either co-authored or sponsored by Puthoff's company, "EarthTech International." here is the link for several interesting papers on zero-point energy:
http://www.earthtech.org/publications/index.html

And from there I ended up finding a NASA site on futuristic space propulsion technology at: www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/JournalList.html

Anyway, I suppose that all shows where curiousity and web-surfing will take you!

Back to string theory and quantum gravity.....

May the Force be with you,
stevemc2

[G_burnett]

I am hesitant to post here. CASPAR sort of rule. I mean what if the NDE was the key and some kid went an tried it? Let us then maybe just enjoy it?

Try the sound that makes up all voice for in its utterance you say it all. In saying all no more needs to be said.

Who will understand? Who will try to? The one who has will learn some more and be evolution manifest! It is not yet for most unless this one a learning forum R A +18, an sane, no reasonable a thought? I will give it more maybe.

ahhooommm

Peace Graham