[stevemc2]

Several books have been published on the topic of "Remote Viewing." The topic has been given a bit of credibility by the CIA's and DIA's acknowledgement that the rumored STARGATE program did in fact exist.

see the wiki at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project

The topic gets a further boost of credence from a tenured Social Science professor at Emory University, Courtney Brown, Ph.D. Brown founded the Farsight Institute, which conducts research and provides training in Remote Viewing, which he calls, "Scientific Remote Viewing." Brown uses quantum mechanics to explain how Remote Viewing works. The related website is: www.farsight.org. If you have an hour to spend, check out this interview with Brown on the topic of "Physics and the Quantum Underpinnings of Consciousness" at:
http://www.farsight.org/CosmicHourAr...BrownGuest.htm

Lastly for this post, another scientist, Dean Radin, Ph.D (masters in electrical engineering and doctorate in psychology) believes Remote Viewing exists and offers his quantum mechanical explanation of the phenomenom in his books. This link is from an interview with Radin by the San Francisco Examiner:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../findrelig.DTL

There are several other remote viewing books and websites, but the above posts should be enough to start the topic.

So, do you think it's fact or fiction? And do you buy into Brown's or Radin's 'interpretations' of quantum mechanics?

[sillysally]

I think it's fact because I can do it, but it's so random. I think the freakiest was when I saw my childhood friend, as a newborn child, a year before I was born, when I was 35 years old. That's consciousness working at it's peak somehow.

[Profpat]

I guess anything is possible, but I'm like James Randi, very skeptical about such things.

[dleviwing]

I might add that there is no substantiated real evidence to support such claims. It is 100% testimonial here-say.

[stevemc2]

Originally Posted by sillysally I think it's fact because I can do it, but it's so random. I think the freakiest was when I saw my childhood friend, as a newborn child, a year before I was born, when I was 35 years old. That's consciousness working at it's peak somehow.

How did you know you could remotely view? Did you learn it from a book or course? Farsight.org offers courses, so do others. How about some more details please?

I would say I'm an open-minded skeptic.

At this point I'm mostly interested in how the 'experts' such as Brown and Radin use quantum mechanical theories to explain the phenomenon.

[stevemc2]

Originally Posted by dleviwing I might add that there is no substantiated real evidence to support such claims. It is 100% testimonial here-say.

Yes, but Remote Viewing is interesting to read about. In particular, how quantum mechanics is used to explain it.

The last I read on the 'substantiated real evidence' was that some professional statistician analyzed every study ever done on individuals - who supposedly had psi abilities - by the CIA/DIA (and other govt. groups?) and somehow normalized the data so that pure randomness would give a 25 percent result of correct choices. I vaguely recall there were around 10,000 pages of data.

The analyst found that 27 percent of the answers were correct, an additional 2 percent, which is not enough to convince me, as of course there is the possibility of measurement biases or other errors. I'd have to see a number around 50 percent, in such a study, to say there may be something there.

hmmm...if I thought I had psi, then I'd be spending a lot of time on E-trade and/or in casinos.

I give James Randi alot of kudos for his reward offer for proof.

[JamesANicholson]

Well, I contend that all events including thoughts go out into the surrounding universe exactly like a radio broadcast (very weak in the case of most of us), in light and sound and even emotional intensity with their own unique signature. So, just as a radio receiver can pick up a radio signal, but only if properly tuned to the correct station, it seems perfectly reasonable that with the proper training and mental focus we should be able to tune into any number of these frequencies with a sufficiently disciplined will and mind. We may need to evolve into cyborgs to fully take advantage of these abilities, but isn't that what we are doing when we tune a radio to the station that we want to listen to, we are like "component cyborgs" rather than "integrated cyborgs."

I don't know why "Science" is so reluctant to accept the personal testimony of vast numbers of individuals as validation of a phenomenon. All data collecting is after all just statistical and based on human observations and interpretations. Just because we are not clever, enough, yet, to come up with an appropriate experiment to test a particular Effect, doesn't mean that we can't collect data about the effect as it occurs naturally or randomly throughout the population and draw useful conclusions from this type of data. The failure to produce laboratory results may be lies with the "investigators" experimental designs and not with the "ignored" data that is available to them


Aaron

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Profpat I guess anything is possible, but I'm like James Randi, very skeptical about such things.

You are right to be skeptical Pat .However the CİA spent millıons of dollars on the
program.and so too dıd the Russıans.İ dont thınk they would have wasted millions
of dollars on a wıshful notıon do you!



İ personally ac cept thıs as a real faculty of mankınd.just that we dont know how to use it.



regards michael.

[Profpat]

Hi Michael;

I miss you, are hooked up yet, or still being forced to drink that strong Turkish coffee to use the internet?

The American government wasting our tax dollars, not in my lifetime.

It could be we have this sense, I'm always open minded, but for right now I'm enjoying my 5 senses plus 2.

The two additional senses, is my sense of balance, and the last sense, that more important than any of my other senses, and one that really should be further developed by all of us, is my sense of humor.

Best to you sir,

Pat

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi Michael; I miss you, are hooked up yet, or still being forced to drink that strong Turkish coffee to use the internet? The American government wasting our tax dollars, not in my lifetime. It could be we have this sense, I'm always open minded, but for right now I'm enjoying my 5 senses plus 2. The two additional senses, is my sense of balance, and the last sense, that more important than any of my other senses, and one that really should be further developed by all of us, is my sense of humor. Best to you sir, Pat

Hello there Pat.have connected to the internet today.however they are knockıng down the post offıce here and have rebuılt a new one.ın doıng so today they have cut through all
the cables that connect the ınternet .luckıly this ınternet cafe still remains online.

Hope that by tomorrow we will be off and running

warmest regards michael