Out of Body Experiences

[Robert]

There are numerous anectodal stories of people who can temporarily leave there bodies and travel about in the physical world or in the astral/spiritual plane. If these events do indeed occur, they must be within the framework of a Theory of Everything. This phenomenon, if it infact happens, could be a key to understanding the TOE.

I believe that the perception of an OBE is real, but is the OBE itself real? There have been studies where, when a particular part of the brain is stimulated, an OBE is induced. My main question regarding this is where does the OBE take place? Is it in an astral or spiritual plane? Or is it all localized within the physical brain?

For matter of discussion lets assume that the OBE is real and the mind does travel outside of the body. How dependent is the mind on the body at this point? I am convinced that much if not all of our personality traits are dependent on brain chemistry. Tumors, strokes, and other kinds of brain damage have profound affects on ones consciousness, emotions, perceptions of reality, personality, etc. Assuming this brain dependence is valid (see this article for details), what would the traveling mind experience if, while traveling in an OBE, the body where to be instantaneously killed. Imagine the head is smashed flat so there is no residual activity of any kind left in the brain. Would the mind suddenly cease to exist? Or would the mind continue to exist in whatever dimension it was inhabiting before the body was killed. If, the mind continues to exist, how does the mind changed if parts of the mind (personality, emotions, sense of self, etc) are dependent on the (now nonexistent) brain.

Regards,
--Robert

[volantis]

As I pointed out in the online Chat on Friday night, my theory of everything shows the possibility that emotions are direct manifestations of conductance. From what I have read, the skin conductance response measures discrete emotions, even if the mind is not consciously aware of them. For example, if a series of subjects are exposed to happy music, the change in skin conductance shows similar patterns for each individual.

At Princeton University an ongoing experiment uses random number generators in computers placed around the planet to measure for patterns. During major events, such as the funeral of Princess Di, the destruction of the WTC, and the Dec 26, 2004 tsunami, similar patterns were simultaneously recorded in the random numbers all around the world.

Computer chips work on the Hall effect, which is a change in conductance at close to the molecular level. If humans collectively experience a similar emotion, which is transmitted through a common medium, then the effect of these emotions might affect the conductance within machinery or even nature. In my theory of everything, which is based upon a quantified Aether, the Aether has conductance. The Aether could well be the medium through which emotions are shared.

This would also give a working mechanics for understanding certain psychic abilities. Some psychics can walk into a place where a murder has occurred and sense the emotions that took place there. Sometimes they can actually pick up actual clues such as names, appearances, and the types of weapons used. It would make sense if a living being felt such strong emotions in a given location and those emotions were imprinted on the objects in that area, including the air. Since all material existence has conductance, any object can be imprinted on.

Today I have learned of an already developed technology called SQUIDS. They are extremely sensitive sensors that record magnet field. I have asked one company whether they could design the output to be in units of magnetic flux. According to my theory, certain units within classical physics are in the wrong dimensions of charge. When the charge dimensions are corrected, magnetic flux is actually the reciprocal of conductance, not resistance. Thus a super sensitive magnetic flux sensor should record actual conductance by taking the reciprocal of the reading.

If the equipment is not too expensive, I'll seek backing from my supporters for purchasing the equipment and then do some experiments. For example, according to Lobsang Rampa, if a crystal ball is soaked in salt water it will erase the imprint of the former handlers. I could use small quartz crystal balls, measure their conductance, and then measure their conductance after they are imprinted to see if they register a corresponding change.

The Tibetan mystics are experts at this imprinting process. I own a Tibetan statue that was so imprinted, and have been able to feel its presence since I have owned it. While living at a Tibetan monastery, I witnessed the construction and imprinting of various objects throughout the 1000 acre property. I was actually able to directly benefit from these imprints while practicing meditation near them. Just as a murder victim can transfer emotions to objects, the lamas could transfer the conditions of enlightened mind to objects. It got to a point where I could do a walking meditation for 10 minutes and enter a state of mind called the Vajra mind (diamond mind). It was a state of exceptional mental clarity and illumination and I could feel it emanating directly from my forehead, over and between my eyes.

People in the West, particularly those associated with one of the Mosaic religions, incorrectly label this as worshipping of idols. It is true that the process of prayer keeps these imprints "alive," but there is no blind faith placed in them. It is a very real process of actively utilizing the mind's abilities.

It might sound like I'm trying to just sell books, but that is far from the truth. I have found a very real system of physics that can quantify at least certain aspects of the mind, as well as mathematically unify the forces. It is truly a theory of everything. And as would be expected from a true new foundation of physics, it must be presented as a text book because there is so much material to cover. I can assure you and everyone else that Secrets of the Aether is not like any book you have read before. It really is a scientific breakthrough and it really does have the valid theory of everything that we all have been hoping for.

[Mikal]

OBEs are particularly connected to the months and years following the experience of "spiritual awakening" and the experience of "NDEs or IDEs." I would say from experience it takes a healthy brain environment (active higher centers) to facilitate the OBE experience of the brain to enable the OBE. Mario Beauregard, PHD...stated "the brain is an organ suitable for connecting the mind to the rest of the Universe.
OBEs can be diverse experiences...travelling in the physical where you can see and watch your body in sleep from across the room or experience in the astral/spiritual realm where you cannot see or watch your body.
Probably the strangest experience is "to be in two places at once without knowing that."
I had this experience in 2004 and have still wondered about it. I went away for the weekend...a distance of over 200 miles. I left very early in the morning travelling with three friends. I fell asleep in the car...while I was asleep and back in the city where I work and live my teammates were just arriving for the morning shift. One of my co-workers said, I came up the stairs, had my usual work clothes on and my work smock. She said as I passed her she said good-morning...I did not answer her appently which she said was strange. She wondered if I was mad so watched me walk away to my work area. At coffee-break...in my absence she ask the team if I had missed the call for coffee. They looked at her and said that I was in Toronto for the weekend. She argued up and down that I was there in the store...she saw me...spoke to me and watched me walk to my work area. Returning after the weekend and her facing me with this accounting...rather shook me..I realized that according to the time it occurred I had been asleep in the car. It was quite strange to me to realize that I had been in two places at once.
OBE's do not just occur in the varied levels of sleep patterns as I have experienced an OBE while in a conscious moment coupled with moments of intense concentrative mental work. They happen spontaneously like flicking a light switch. In the OBE state I am never afraid that I will not reconnect back to my body...that just seems to happen.
As "spiritual awakening" and NDEs and IDEs proffer shards of perception we are not familiar with in normal consciousness I think they occur from the combination of emotional sensitivity, a strong reconnect with unified sensory system, higher states of perception and altered states of consciousness....

[mkirkpatrick]

We all leave our bodies at night,it is just that most do not remember the experience,sleep
is the first cousin to death,and sleep is a "rehearsal" for the real thing when it arrives,so that when it finally arrives we will be no strangers to the experience of leaving the body,the only difference is that at death the "silver cord" is severed rendering return to that body impossible.

I remember many instances of me leaving my physical body,seeing myself several feet
above the physical body watching myself laying there and wondering how the heck was i
going to get back into that place?

It is quite possible to leave the body while fully awake too,this just takes practise and
a willingness to be still and know that all is well! It can seem a little scary at first,then one feels excited at the opportunity to travel where ever your imagination can think you too!

The practise of lucid dreaming is an ideal way of achieving OOB experiences and being
fully conscious throughout.


regards michael.

[Mikal]

We all leave our bodies at night,it is just that most do not remember the experience,sleep
is the first cousin to death,and sleep is a "rehearsal" for the real thing when it arrives,so that when it finally arrives we will be no strangers to the experience of leaving the body,the only difference is that at death the "silver cord" is severed rendering return to that body impossible.

I remember many instances of me leaving my physical body,seeing myself several feet
above the physical body watching myself laying there and wondering how the heck was i
going to get back into that place?

It is quite possible to leave the body while fully awake too,this just takes practise and
a willingness to be still and know that all is well! It can seem a little scary at first,then one feels excited at the opportunity to travel where ever your imagination can think you too!

The practise of lucid dreaming is an ideal way of achieving OOB experiences and being
fully conscious throughout.


regards michael.

Hi Michael...thanks for responding..I am particularly sensitive to have OBEs and yes in the beginning when I was completely ignorant of our unknown hidden wisdom it was indeed a scary experience. I am no longer afraid to flow with the experience and find that in doing that I can more consciously remember and record what occurred so I can study the OBE experience directly.
Our sleep patterns are particularly significant to the experience and I studied the work of Dr. Carl Calleman's studies to grasp that knowledge.
Do you know anything you could share about the experience I described above concerning "being in two places at once"?? That was particularly strange and of course had my co-worker not related it back to me..I would not have ever known about it.

peace Mikal

[mkirkpatrick]

Hi Michael...thanks for responding..I am particularly sensitive to have OBEs and yes in the beginning when I was completely ignorant of our unknown hidden wisdom it was indeed a scary experience. I am no longer afraid to flow with the experience and find that in doing that I can more consciously remember and record what occurred so I can study the OBE experience directly.
Our sleep patterns are particularly significant to the experience and I studied the work of Dr. Carl Calleman's studies to grasp that knowledge.
Do you know anything you could share about the experience I described above concerning "being in two places at once"?? That was particularly strange and of course had my co-worker not related it back to me..I would not have ever known about it.

peace Mikal

Thanks Mikal,I recall two instances,one find myself leaving my body and shooting out
through the ceiling into space and onto the planet mars,this took but seconds to accomplish,landing on the planets surface rocking as I hit the ground,while doing this,
i was conscious also of being in my bedroom about 54 million miles away,two places
at the same time very far apart!Also while lucid dreaming I found myself in a country lane in Ireland where my grandparents used to live,(as they were long dead by now)as you can control the events in lucid dreaming,"I" decided my grandparents would be at home,
I knockedthe door went in and there they both were!While this was happening also I was aware of being in my bedroom several hundred miles away!


hope this helps

warm regards michael.

[Mikal]

Michael...glad to hear somebody else has been having just as complicated and as wierd an experience as mine...chuckles It is always comforting in our completely logical world to know that one is not alone. Now if you can be aware of being in both places at once, then it must mean that your experience was much more controlled than mine or I being in a deep state of sleep could not grasp that significance..yes this does help indeed, you sharing that with me...so thank you. I am always trying to further a complete understanding of these states in order to understand further mysteries of us in life.

peace Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

Michael,

A U.S. spacecraft just landed at the North Pole of Mars and found your old house.

Mikal, I have a feeling that you are goinf to save the world. Don't ask how—you'll see.

I had a dream last night in which I looked at picture on a page of book. It kept changing every few seconds to another new and great picture. I ask you, who is making these pictures so fast, and whether it's my mind or not, how do I get them out of there to post here?

Thanks, Michael and Mikal, whose names sound alike.

[Mikal]

Michael,

A U.S. spacecraft just landed at the North Pole of Mars and found your old house.

Mikal, I have a feeling that you are goinf to save the world. Don't ask how—you'll see.

I had a dream last night in which I looked at picture on a page of book. It kept changing every few seconds to another new and great picture. I ask you, who is making these pictures so fast, and whether it's my mind or not, how do I get them out of there to post here?

Thanks, Michael and Mikal, whose names sound alike.

Hi austintorn....welcome to the wonderful world of Mars and the twilight zone.....would you like to add your book with changing pictures...all anomolies are welcome. Gee....save the world...I'm just trying to save "love" its a worthy part of life worth saving in a world that at times seems to have gone crazy.....

smiles Mikal....(*) () thats supposed to be a wink dear...chuckles

[austintorn@aol.com]

What a winky flirt! I'm just below you in New York and I'm crossing the border now…

A helicopter will land at your front door soon.