[zeroca]

Hi, Michael!

I think almost all of us experienced leaving bodies during the sleep; some of people can’t specify, was it sleep, or real coming out of body and astral travel or was it result of brain activity (of any kind). Mostly it happens spontaneously, i.e. it doesn’t depend on our will.
But can anybody here explain how to come out of body purposely, and then return in it easily? If you know it Michael, can you share it with us? Or is there anybody here who knows such method?
I myself don’t know.

Regards,
Merab.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by zeroca Hi, Michael! I think almost all of us experienced leaving bodies during the sleep; some of people can’t specify, was it sleep, or real coming out of body and astral travel or was it result of brain activity (of any kind). Mostly it happens spontaneously, i.e. it doesn’t depend on our will. But can anybody here explain how to come out of body purposely, and then return in it easily? If you know it Michael, can you share it with us? Or is there anybody here who knows such method? I myself don’t know. Regards, Merab.

Merab,my friend,Yes I do know a way to leave the body,by
using the will.But i am not prepared toshare it on an open forum,as i believe
this would be not only irresponsible of me,but also very dangerous,when one
naturally leaves the body during sleep,there are automatic "safeguards" that
operate,however to attempt the same thing by an act of self will,these are not in place,and therefore the one attempting this unless they are "protected" by a understanding of just what you are dealing with!

kind regards michael.

[Unreal Zelta]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Thank you Unreal Zelta,no you do not sound like a doctor!Asking questions. Is this story true,you ask?Absolutely affirmitive!You asked did I see a "real" person,yes me!I was sat on the chair,and I saw myself get up and walk off! Was I conscious and wide awake?Yes I was!I had already said that in the previous post.How can you call your self back,you ask?Good question!As there was no instruction manual handy,detailing how to return to the body in three easy lessons!I did what I thought was appropriate at the time,and that was to call myself back to me!As i said in the previous post this caused an awful shock to the solar-plexus area of my body.This experience happened in 1975. Hope that suffices for an answer,Zelta. kind regards michael

Thanks Michael, that set things straight. It unbelievable of what happened you! Maybe a person is existing in every single point in the universe, and that's probably why we can move into different location. Just a hypothesis.

Best regards

Zelta

[harmonygirl]

Actually, UZ, when I was thinking that time existed, I thought that it existed simultaneously to itself (so everything was happening at once). If that is the case, we do exist at every point in the universe (and also we do not exist at every point in the universe).

[Unreal Zelta]

Actually, UZ, when I was thinking that time existed, I thought that it existed simultaneously to itself (so everything was happening at once).

If that is the case, we do exist at every point in the universe (and also we do not exist at every point in the universe).

Can you clarify that, it's a bit contridictory....

Best regards

Zelta

[mkirkpatrick]

Just to add a comment,U.Z.Regard your hypothesis,maybe we exist in every
single point of the universe,well maybe we do!But in the context of this thread,what was being said,was regard the astral body,which is a replica of
our own physical body,and normally occupies a position in very close proximity with the physical body.And is therefore in this context not universal.


kind regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

It's very contradictory! If time is not linear and if it can exist simuntaneously with itself (like a slinky or accordion) and if we exist at one time, then we exist at all times. But, because there is a time we didn't exist (at least in this form, so pre-birth), and time is again simultaneously existing with itself, we don't exist at all times. It really depends on wrapping your head around the conception of time not only as non-linear, but in a form that isn't traditionally supported by our conception (simultaneously occurring with itself)

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl It's very contradictory! If time is not linear and if it can exist simuntaneously with itself (like a slinky or accordion) and if we exist at one time, then we exist at all times. But, because there is a time we didn't exist (at least in this form, so pre-birth), and time is again simultaneously existing with itself, we don't exist at all times. It really depends on wrapping your head around the conception of time not only as non-linear, but in a form that isn't traditionally supported by our conception (simultaneously occurring with itself)

HG, if you think of yourself as a bundle of infinitely eternally existing wave structured matter, you are, always have been, and always will be. You are now by existence, then by wave extensions, and will always be by future wave extensions. This theory has been around for years, and I adhere to it... It's simple. It's elegant... It solves the time problem. Time is simply an independent descriptor of the quantum and life processes. Einstein confused us all when he falsely joined space and time... They must be understood as discrete entities to make real classical and common sense of it all. The older classical ideas of time are much clearer, up to Poincare.

Of course, the point of dead and live vital energy, as verses quantum energy, is beyond my human comprehension, and epistemologically, everyone elses, as far as I can tell, so far... I think this would be a very interesting area to explore, i.e., Is all energy dead or alive? Is some energy just dead quantum mechanical processes, and other live vital energy? Or as many believe is all energy alive? The last I can't accept, but I have no direct provable knowledge, and know of no way to prove it, yet... Any help?

regards

[harmonygirl]

LG, clearly we agree on time, but I lean towards thinking that energy is alive. I also have no proof (I only think that I know). Isn't it the very definition of energy that it supplies some form of life to process? Still thinking about this tho...

[Mikal]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Although sleep is most often way to enter these other dimensional portals,it is not always the case,I have experienced leaving the body in full waking consciousness,and it was a strange feeling to say the least,I was sat in armchair thinking of a particular friend of mine,when all of a sudden I "saw" myself stand up and walk out of the room?I was quite stunned by this and as I "called" out to myself,"I" rushed back into me!This sudden return felt as though I had be punched in the Solar-Plexus by a fist!It took several minutes for me to recover from this. kind regards michael.

Michael...so nice to read that someone besides me has experienced seeing oneself outside of self...the day it happened to me I was basically just resting my eyes...I felt a strange almost whooshing sensation...at first I thought...no don't open your eyes...but I did and I was standing in front of me...I felt my heart lurch and then there was another whoosh and I was gone back in me....I remember walking to the kitchen and saying...okay, that never just happened and then I kind of wondered what it had been...talked to a specialist who studies astral mysteries and she said the ancients called it your "doppleganger" or spirit self...interesting, so I thought I would share that with you

peace Mikal