Why Do Intellectuals Oppose Capitalism?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

What other suggestions might you proffer from your wider ranging experience, Lloyd, and others also?

Re: Why Do Intellectuals Oppose Capitalism?

Lorrina, imo, there are no local problems, as the international law problems control all the local problems, to be the local problems they are; therefore, all I offer, and recommend, is the international solutions I absolutely know are necessary__First... I've listed a few below, of the thousands listed in my newest Heinz #57 capitalisms' notes...

The #1 law of solutions - All world problems can be solved by respecting the natural universal law of balance...!

Universal justice will be found in the internal balances of all autonomous nations. If all nations balance their internal affairs, they will be automatically balanced externally. This can be accomplished by the separation of supply and demand, into two competing supply and demand markets, internally!

An economic, universal justice system of supply and demand computerized databases, based on Boolean logic and sliding time scale law structures, with dynamic pricing balances, can be built and implemented world wide, to solve our over-pressing problems!

We have the ability to computerize capitalism into balance, solve our problems, and honor the entirety of human yearnings.

We have the technology and ability to computerize suzeraintic capitalism into honest government and finance.

The Heinz-57 capitalisms and the Heinz-57 totalitarianisms can be computerized into incorruptible and honest capitalism.

We must computerize capitalism to save the world from financial destruction, because the big boys in the tall buildings have learned how to computer rob the entire system. [Boolean logic]

The massive problem of computerized speculation of financial markets requires a new computerization of international capitalism, to rectify.

Hear's a clear goal - We must democratize the international financial architecture to democratize the local economies into real sustainability.

If you balanced all the world's balance of payments - exchange rates and purchasing price parities, you would save enough to pay all the world's debts.

Balance can be financed by the profits of a future re-balancing efficiency.

A law of world problems - All problems exist in exact relationship to the imbalances between peoplecrafted intelligences and statecrafted laws verses the natural laws of mind, logic, nature and science!

Law is a concept, but only ideal morally/ethically principled law is the ultimate truth - the perfect balance!

The greatest magnitude of law is currency law.

Currency balance is the central natural law that balances all the natural laws of state!

Only truly balanced currency laws, of a real level playing field, can create true universal symmetrical system integrity.

The scarcest resource of all is real value money!

I'm designing a better mousetrap - A better law structure to govern the world's money.

An international constitution of computerized exchange clearing, based on a 1 to 20% per year sliding time scale law structure, written toward balancing global prices and values, can achieve the golden moral mean - A pragmatic and logical center of thought.

A balanced system can create authentic moral values' improvement.

I can imagine many better systems and many better constitutions.

In my opinion, the ultimate answer is the balance of international democracies and markets.

We have the technology and ability to computerize capitalism's unbalanced pricing system into a super-moral perfect competition balance!

The answer is, balance the prices!

Universal problems require universal solutions.

We must re-balance real prices of the world.

We have the sciences, technology and abilities to solve all our problems - It's just they're all jumbled in everyone's heads - We need coherence!

Overproduction and resource depletion is forcing us to develop a mind of wisdom.

The universal wisdom is a balanced competition.

Total truth and wisdom can only be created with new, highly principled, laws.

The fundamental problem of America is understanding what's wrong - And what that fundamental problem is - Is law - Bretton Woods Law - I hate to be so blunt, but until you're willing to deal with it, you're just flapping your wings in the air!

Currency law is the only law to create the most moral certainty.

Laws must be written to create a level playing field.

The soul of capitalism is the balance of money.

This is no longer the story of rebuilding America - It's the story of rebuilding the world.

In my opinion, unless we create a practical heaven on earth, hell on earth is our future.

Due to the extreme gravity of massive global problems - We need quick solutions - We can't wait 20 years for a solution.

We must find a way to harness mobile, shadow banking, money to increase democracy, now!

The fundamental and absolute problem is law!

Exchange rates are the law of all laws!

The fundamental law of change - Nothing happens or changes without law changes!

Democracy's law system is moving upstream into the international corporate law system.

At present, drastically imbalanced floating paper rules as the new insane law!

The sanctity of contracts - The private law system...!

Money's power can only be balanced by law!

Law is greed's only governor!

I'm not interested in system change, I'm interested in proper interpretation and understanding of the existing system and architecture law change to improve it.

Law - Truth - One law will change the whole world - The law of perfect liberty - The law of money!

Without an international clearing house, national democracies are now impossible of surviving!

The law of the law - International law controls all nations' laws, no matter what local laws you pass!

The law does all harm and good to and for society!

Law is the number one universal vehicle of truth.

All ideas must be joined under one roof of law!

The passions of the people must be turned to laws to expand public liberty.

The world is in such a mess, we must pass sliding time scale law structures to get out of it.

If you want peace, you gotta change the law system that's creating war!

In my opinion, man is incapable of respecting the natural laws, so society will, one day, have to be turned over to computers!

We should support laws toward re-aligning wages, prices and currencies to real purchasing price parity equilibrium, to create a level playing field, to stop excess offshoring, outsourcing and in-sourcing, neutralize nefarious trade and transactions' extractions, return the I.M.F., World Bank, and W.T.O. to work the public good again, rebuild global subsidiarity to sustainable levels, to found truly viable comparative advantage - globally, reduce speculation and excess debt and create jobs, by saving trillions of dollars for the public good.

[labelwench]

Thank you for your detailed and thought provoking response, Lloyd. Obviously, my wing-flapping served it's purpose.

In my opinion, man is incapable of respecting the natural laws, so society will, one day, have to be turned over to computers!

Logically, I can understand how you come to such a conclusion, as you state above.

My concern would be that, depending on how one programs the computers you envision in this statement, then a huge portion of the globes population will be seen as redundant, or unproductive or unsustainable.

What would a 'logical solution' then be, to a computer program?

Attempting to interface logic and ethics is giving me mind-spin. Night shift looms, so I'll leave matters for another day. Once again, thank you for stepping up to the plate.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Logically, I can understand how you come to such a conclusion, as you state above.

My concern would be that, depending on how one programs the computers you envision in this statement, then a huge portion of the globes population will be seen as redundant, or unproductive or unsustainable.

Well, I can certainly see how you may see it that way, as I did also when I first thought these ideas up, back in the mid `80's, but with enough thought and theorizing put to the overall dynamics of any problems created by over-computerization of the tasks mentioned, I realized our natural evolutionary needs of jobs, as computer-robotics un-employs the populations of the world by the millions, was and is going to happen no matter what you, I or anyone thinks, as capitalism is a system of efficiency, which naturally uses the new-found efficiencies of computer-robotics, and global databasing inventory systems, no matter what we may want__System's evolution is one-up-man-shipping us in this area, far beyond our natural evolutionary potentials of humaness. Since the computerization is going to happen anyway, I realized it may as well be as well thought out as possible, and implemented in the most complimentary method possible of benefitting humankind, instead of just letting it happen hap-hazzardly. So, when one truly assesses the future thoroughly inductively, of all processes integrations, one easily realizes the human benefits of manipulating the computerized evolutions over not manipulating their paths...

Now, if you look back over all I've mentioned in those notes, you'll see they are really limited to particular legislative areas, which were mentioned all throughout the notes, and in all my past writings over the last four years. My computer and law change ideas are limited to international financial market and trade law changes__First... These are the only areas of law I advocate computerizing, and this area at present has little computerized legal action involved__Oh, it's certainly true there's plenty of non-legal action involved, and by this I don't mean illegal, as it's all legal, it's just it's not under any nation's legal control__It's entirely under corporate control, by all nations' corporations involved in globalism. This is the area that needs be brought under control, as this is the place the 'big boys in the tall buildings' are speculating all the wealth and profits of all nations, into the tax havens, thus forcing the gov's. to push the tax burdens off on us poor unsuspecting citizens__This must change. And, any big corporate derivative system raiders who be put out of a job, deserves to be put out of a job, as look at how many more average citizens are being put out of jobs now, by these evil pin-headed corporate raiders, of far lesser intergrity and number. So, if they be put out of work__good...! Let them beat the streets, to find a legitimate job, as I'd love to see the good side of the Boolean computers, put these slime-balls out of work, for a change...

Next, just let me mention to you, that by you asking your question, just last night I finally extended my idea discovery to an area I've been trying to finish for over forty years, and that's the fact of how do we, as a nation or world, know what actionable intelligence to make and take, when we know from our best historians, they must end their histories 20 to 50 years ago, to be seriously truthful, due to the fact the newest and closest information, required to make accurate history, has not yet been collected and digested into rational facts of cause and effect. The best historians will stop at 50 years ago, and others at 20 or less years ago, so it just goes to show us the difficulty of making real-time decisions, that will have true and knowable effectiveness, if we respect the information and interpretation time processes... Yet, what was realized last night, is a scientific method to close this gap, through the use of modal logic, over model logic, guided by category logic and historical logic. This allows a very up-to-date proper order logic of scientific accuracy, never before thought possible. It's very new to me, yet I've been working toward this goal for many years, so I'll just give some of the preliminaries of it's workings and new abilities of problems solutions, I've realized this new scientific system is truly capable of...

I've discovered a new scientific methodology of necessary historical and political action__which can actually scientifically model ideas into the future__dynamically. This idea is based on using inductive logic over deductive logic, since discovering deductive logic is simply micro actions, yet inductive logic is the real world's macro actions. I discovered this by realizing E=MC^2 is really V^sum=V^msum, or that both sides of Einstein's equation are only about velocity, where the left side of the equation is the total sum, of the right side's total measurable sum of all velocities, based on the c metric. In other words, the left side is the triadic sum of the right side's triadic velocities of matter/mass times the c metric squared. This simple investigative process of realizing mass is a triadic velocity, allowed me to see deeper into the universal constants of modal and model logics, governed by category and historical logics, to unite old ideas I've been working on for years, into a visionary wisdom system, that is fully grounded and entirely scientifically provable, out into the distant future__simply by using the future modeling capacities of existing modal, category and historical logics. This may at first sound complicated, but it's really not, as it's foundation is simple ratio-mathematics of the four methods of logics involved__to produce better ordered futures' logics__By realizing 'Goals Define Histories'. This all allows a future modal logic model proof__with no pieces of history missing__which has been the present problem of incompleteness. This new system opens up the possibility of A New Science of Technological Utopian Thinking__A New Science of Wisdom__A New Science of Necessary Actionable Intelligence... A Possible Science of Necessary Utopia Modeling__A Science of Right Action__A Science of Necessary Wisdom Logic__A Science of Necessary Political Action__A New Science of Possible, Probable and Necessary Wisdom-Logic...

Deduction = Concept Division = No ToE Possible
Induction = Concept Unification = The Only ToE Possible
The Triadic Velocities of Particles = Linear_Angular_Spin
The Triadic Velocities of Mass
Mass = Total Angular & Spin Velocities to Linear Velocity

What would a 'logical solution' then be, to a computer program?

The simple mathematical goal, of humanity's best ordered, and best balanced incentivized liberty...

Attempting to interface logic and ethics is giving me mind-spin. Night shift looms, so I'll leave matters for another day. Once again, thank you for stepping up to the plate.

Don't feel lonely, as my attempts to interface logic and ethics have given me many a mind-spin__But it's finally becomming clear, and clarity has power to get my ideas across to those I know are necessary to be reached, so I'll be working all the bugs out of this new system, over the next few months...

Any help anyone could offer, I'd sure appreciate it, even if that help is just asking simple or complex questions, as my mind will have to work to fill in any blanks or blind spots... Thank you all in advance, and thank you Lorrina for asking the trigger questions...

[labelwench]

Excellent to hear that your years of experience are coalescing for you, Lloyd, in the direction that you seek. I am certain that all of us at this forum have contributed to the stirring of the pot of creativity, and any trigger question on my part was one of those coincidences that mark my path. It shall be interesting now, to see how the clay shapes... You are the one who is making sense of the puzzle.The credit to whom it belongs, Sir.

On a different tangent.....ever my forte.....

I looked into the mirror the other day, and came to the conclusion that I do not recognize the reflection. Actually, that's not quite accurate. I look exactly as I expect, given daily maintenance.

Rather, may I comment, I do not recognize 'who' is looking back at me.

My hypothesis is that such is a normal biological function of accumulating and assimilating large amounts of data over relatively short intervals.

Three times in the last three weeks, I have been in the proximity of potential danger, (serious) where I was not the cause of the circumstances.

From past experience, I would have expected to experience an adrenalin rush or some other form of sympathetic nervous system response.

I experienced the appropriate mechanical response only, without emotional engagement.

The two observations may be related.

Unusual, but not alarming.

This does not help you with your research, but is offered as an explanation for any deviation from my former patterns of communication. As mentioned previously, I am my own subject of field study for the venue of graveyard shift and floating circadian rhythms.

As ever......

[timeparticle]

We are very close to a one World Bank, a system that seems to be tied to the New World Order. I don't see this system better, only different. The elite big boys in the tall towers will still be running the show. After the current economic structure collapses, they will introduce this. Computers will play an important hand in it, but it won't change ethics or morals. Even with A.I., computers will still pick up the unethical behavior of their programmers. It will not end in this way....

The certain change will come from ourselves, deep from inside will we find the power to alter the hierarchy of our systems. The change will be quick and certain. Our planet will never fall into darkness, again.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

We are very close to a one World Bank, a system that seems to be tied to the New World Order. I don't see this system better, only different. The elite big boys in the tall towers will still be running the show. After the current economic structure collapses, they will introduce this. Computers will play an important hand in it, but it won't change ethics or morals. Even with A.I., computers will still pick up the unethical behavior of their programmers. It will not end in this way....

The certain change will come from ourselves, deep from inside will we find the power to alter the hierarchy of our systems. The change will be quick and certain. Our planet will never fall into darkness, again.

Hi TP, and may I take acception to your remarks... It's just the point that we are trying to escape from ourselves__That is the true problem. Mans emotionally corrupted logic is what leads the world toward unethical behavior of a one world order. This is why any future systems' control computers must be programmed by pure methematics__where man has nothing to do with the programming, except to be 'the tool of pure math', instead of the other way around, which is truly what creates the unethical behavior...

The world must awake from its emotionally distorted logic, and enter the new world of mathematically computer dominated emotions__Then, and only then, can the world find any possible fairness__away from its unethical behavior. Numbers don't lie__Only humans do...

As far as a one World Bank, thank 'god' for America's arrogance__She'd never allow such stupidity... Our independence demands our autonomy of international banking... Besides math only works in competition with itself__never in union with itself. Just look at the PIIGS right now__That's Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain under the EU__They're close to folding the tent right now__Best example of why One World Systems Fail... Only autonomous systems of self-competition work...

Socialism collapsed, communism collapsed, most all the totalitarianisms of Onenesses collapsed__As they all should__And, only capitalism stands... Why...?

One World Bank conspiracies are just that__Dillusional conspiracies... Math will destroy them all...!

Do the math from the future back to now, then into the future__instead of the past and present forward, and you'll quickly and easily see the answers. Academics has lead the world down a false path of past to present, when the true path is future visions to future actions__and always has been__Never past actions__The past is always dead and gone__Only the future visions of the past is the real__then only those that are numerically correct__As math always rules the future__It's a combinatoric advance toward our truest and best ordered goals...

History marches to the tune of a mathematical cypher...

Two Forms of Thought__Mathematics or Opinion...

[Mikal]

Amped Status / By David DeGraw COMMENTS: 35 The Most Powerful Destructive Corporate Business Club Most Americans Have Never Heard of
The Business Roundtable, an organization representing Fortune 500 CEOs, is at the heart of the Economic Elite's power center.

DeGraw writes in the introduction to his report:

"It has now become evident to a critical mass that the Republican and Democratic parties, along with all three branches of our government, have been bought off by a well-organized Economic Elite who are tactically destroying our way of life. The harsh truth is that 99% of the US population no longer has political representation. The US economy, government and tax system is now blatantly rigged against us.Current statistical societal indicators clearly demonstrate that a strategic attack has been launched and an analysis of current governmental policies prove that conditions for 99% of Americans will continue to deteriorate. The Economic Elite have engineered a financial coup and have brought war to our doorstep. . . and make no mistake, they have launched a war to eliminate the US middle class."

David DeGraw, "Report on the Economy and Amped Status"


Regards Mikal

[timeparticle]

As far as a one World Bank, thank 'god' for America's arrogance__She'd never allow such stupidity... Our independence demands our autonomy of international banking... Besides math only works in competition with itself__never in union with itself. Just look at the PIIGS right now__That's Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain under the EU__They're close to folding the tent right now__Best example of why One World Systems Fail... Only autonomous systems of self-competition work...


I don't believe it has anything to do with America's arrogance. The American bankers are only a small part of the Elite, the big boys in the tall towers. The agreement for the economic agendas of our future is riding on the global elite mindset. Even the Rockefellers and their influence are just a small part of the whole. This great economic failure, as it might be in their plans, will bring about a One World Bank. They, and the American Bankers will still be on top. They will not mind such a change. You may be right, and this won't happen, but it surely may.

Computers are an extension of ourselves. Your vision of pure math programming the computers to run the banking system so as to be incorruptible is great, but will not happen. Your big boys will not let it happen.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

You both forget that when 99% of society's productive citizens become un-employed__The Rich will then be forced to rob themselves, which truly they be doing now. Due to this one credit factor alone__The Rich ultimately have no more conspiratorial credit and banking power than any of us poor saps...

The Rich are more in the sinking boat, than are the Poor__It takes more to float their boat, than does it take to float ours. I'd much rather be poor and wise, than rich and stupid__Stupid enough to set a system into robbing itself blind and helpless. The Poor can feed themselves easier than the Rich__We all got de' food__They only got a short supply of de' food...

So, put your paranoias away__We are the safe ones__It's the Rich who are in trouble... The system can be rebuilt properly almost overnight__It's just we need a populace strong and wise enough to see through all the fears and nonsense...

That means seeing through to the mathematical confidence level, of absolute necessary future actions... Throw away the fears, and study the logic...

I noticed you stated this yesterday, TP...

They both may be true. The ones in power, at this time, seem to be yielding a strong arm across our economic global culture. They have the means to control our destiny, to an extent. But we always have a freedom to choose and move in infinite ways. We also yield a strong arm. We also can control our destiny. In a sense, it will come down to a fight of wills.

Geological time spiral

[timeparticle]

You both forget that when 99% of society's productive citizens become un-employed__The Rich will then be forced to rob themselves, which truly they be doing now. Due to this one credit factor alone__The Rich ultimately have no more conspiratorial credit and banking power than any of us poor saps...

The Rich are more in the sinking boat, than are the Poor__It takes more to float their boat, than does it take to float ours. I'd much rather be poor and wise, than rich and stupid__Stupid enough to set a system into robbing itself blind and helpless. The Poor can feed themselves easier than the Rich__We all got de' food__They only got a short supply of de' food...

So, put your paranoias away__We are the safe ones__It's the Rich who are in trouble... The system can be rebuilt properly almost overnight__It's just we need a populace strong and wise enough to see through all the fears and nonsense...

That means seeing through to the mathematical confidence level, of absolute necessary future actions... Throw away the fears, and study the logic...

I noticed you stated this yesterday, TP...


Geological time spiral

I hope you are right, LG. I still feel that they took the self destructiveness of purposefully trashing the current economic system for another one, into consideration. It lingers as a doubt above the economic corruptive climate of today. The economic downturn of today was employed for a great purpose, don't you agree? It wasn't just happenstance.