Understanding do you really fully that is!!

mkirkpatrick · **Understanding do you really fully that is!! -** 02-24-2006, 08:55 AM

Many years ago,on my wanderings in the far east,I "happened" upon a very
elderly man,who informed me,in quite good english,that he was over 90 years
old,he said with much prompting from me,that he was a Zen-Buddist teacher,
and had been practising and teaching meditation for over 75 years,with this
statement from him,my ears pricked up,for I had just began to practise it
myself,it is what he said after that,which flattened me,"he said that after 75
years of practising meditation,he was just "scratching the surface" of it,and
that he still had muchto learn!I felt that this was not some statement of false
modesty,or trying to impress me with his apparent humility,but rather this was
a matter of fact statement of what he felt was true!Which then caused me to
ponder,that where the heck am I then,it was truly an ego deflating experiance
for me,and no doubt a needed one at that!
So the point I am some what laborously trying to make here is this,what do
anyone of us "fully understand" I would suspect the answer to be,ifwe are
honest with ourselves,isnotvery much at all!

kind regards michael.

harmonygirl · **oneness is the key -** 02-24-2006, 11:14 AM

Michael, I think that we are all on the same path, just at different places. So maybe there are some of us that understand "life, the universe and everything" and maybe there are some of us that are just scratching the surface. I think they are the same. I had my humility sharpened when I encounted a man who smiled with his whole body (and aura, if you believe in that). I also thought, "why can't I be like that" but then I realized that I can't be him, only me. Simple, but sometimes takes a lot of patience to get there).

mkirkpatrick · **When we are totally ourselves,we are everybody!!!!! -** 02-24-2006, 11:27 AM

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Michael, I think that we are all on the same path, just at different places. So maybe there are some of us that understand "life, the universe and everything" and maybe there are some of us that are just scratching the surface. I think they are the same. I had my humility sharpened when I encounted a man who smiled with his whole body (and aura, if you believe in that). I also thought, "why can't I be like that" but then I realized that I can't be him, only me. Simple, but sometimes takes a lot of patience to get there).

Thank you H.G. for those beautiful words.
We canonly ever be just ourselves,and the more we are ourselves,the more
of everything is included?Yes I not only believe in auras,but have studied
them for many years.

kindest regards michael.

harmonygirl · **are we truly one? -** 02-24-2006, 11:46 AM

I think that the more we realize who 'we' are, the more we realize the 'we' includes everything. The part I am stuck on is the difference between realizing we are all part of the same energy consciousness and taking responsibility for the actions of others. I haven't figured this one out yet, how can we be one but only be responsible for ourselves? If that is not true, am I responsible for the bad things that happen?

mkirkpatrick · **we are as one but most will deny it-It dents the Ego! -** 02-24-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by harmonygirl

I think that the more we realize who 'we' are, the more we realize the 'we' includes everything. The part I am stuck on is the difference between realizing we are all part of the same energy consciousness and taking responsibility for the actions of others. I haven't figured this one out yet, how can we be one but only be responsible for ourselves? If that is not true, am I responsible for the bad things that happen?

You cannot have it both ways,H.G.Yes we are all one,although this will be not
recognised by all for a century or more to come.Weare all re-flections!!!
Of each other,this gives the illusion of the many?the mirror effect,that has
us all glamoured by its maismic fog.You are only responsible for your actions,
because there is just you?????Where are the others! These will-othe wisps!
Look very deeply at these "others" and you will see yourself staring back??
kindest regards michael.

harmonygirl · **Lots to think about... -** 02-24-2006, 12:37 PM

How to keep this from crushing your spirit? maybe to realize that we are all responsible?

mkirkpatrick · 03:34 PM

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How to keep this from crushing your spirit? maybe to realize that we are all responsible?

Yes absolutely,we are one and all
together.when we know that to be true,then you can never be alone again!!
And our spirit is un-crushable and supreme.

kindregards michael.

harmonygirl · **we have a little way to go before we get there -** 02-25-2006, 06:41 PM

Michael, even if you are a dreamer, it's a nice dream! I think collective only works when we all set aside our egos, but I think this is asking a lot!

mkirkpatrick · 02-25-2006, 07:01 PM

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Michael, even if you are a dreamer, it's a nice dream! I think collective only works when we all set aside our egos, but I think this is asking a lot!

I agree it is asking a great deal,but thenthere is a great deal at stake!Maybe we can all set aside our egos for just one day? Any takers!

kind regards michael,

harmonygirl · **selflessness is not easy -** 02-25-2006, 07:07 PM

Michael, I'd like to see this accomplished as well, but I don't think it's as easy as asking people to set aside their egos for a day. People are where they are on the path, and will evolve when they are ready. I know I have been struggling with my own ego for quite a while (luckily, it is prized in a litigator!) but I don't know how close I am to being selfless. I would love to see it happen though. Maybe pick a day and we can all try to be selfless, just for that day. Who knows, maybe it will work?