[mkirkpatrick]

I would like to start this thread with two Ideas,one about inclusiveness,and
te other about exclusivness.I will open with what these mean to me,then leave
it there,to comment further if there are any replies.
First inclusiveness,I see that all in this universe is basically one,and that being
so,I identify with the whole of existance,not some of it,but all of it,and see that
mankind is as one,and i accept that,which to me is an absolute fact,I understand,that inclusiveness is theway of expansion,growth,fulfilment,and of
acheiving perfect harmony with the all of maifestation.
Second,exclusiveness,sounds very nice when you go to an exclusive "club"very
special indeed!To me this stands for fragmentation,pieces,selfishness,and self
seeking,ego lead and the cause of 99% of all this worlds problems.Of course there is no "real" harm in wanting to get a head in life,as long as we dont step
on others to get there thatis.It has been said many times in the past,that the
sun shines,it does not just select the rightous ones to shine on,all our
included in its warmth.exclusiveness leaves people out,you do not count,there
fore starve to death,am I my brothers keeper?Well yes you are actually!
kindest regards michael.

[Guille]

Very wise interpretations of two impotant concepts, well done. Nowadays, the new society, at least those of my age and in their 20s, are tribal. We are reinventing the idea of tribe, at least in Europe. And this is both inclusion and exclusion. Inclusion because members of a group, of a mini-society, are co-operative to the centre, subjects cease to exist, and there identity has no entity, only cause and effect, only friends and enemies. And yet, it is exclusive too, for it is closed to it's perfect circle, and there is no vector uniting circles together, just members that are parts in more than one circle. The 'david' of the circle of people A, is different from the 'david' of the circle of people B, even though it is the same body and mind. Constant refutation of the culture: the most pure state of equality, with the only aim of unequality. Reversion of time (properties, centre, idols), and subversion of space (quantity, multitude, masses).

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by <<>> Very wise interpretations of two impotant concepts, well done. Nowadays, the new society, at least those of my age and in their 20s, are tribal. We are reinventing the idea of tribe, at least in Europe. And this is both inclusion and exclusion. Inclusion because members of a group, of a mini-society, are co-operative to the centre, subjects cease to exist, and there identity has no entity, only cause and effect, only friends and enemies. And yet, it is exclusive too, for it is closed to it's perfect circle, and there is no vector uniting circles together, just members that are parts in more than one circle. The 'david' of the circle of people A, is different from the 'david' of the circle of people B, even though it is the same body and mind. Constant refutation of the culture: the most pure state of equality, with the only aim of unequality. Reversion of time (properties, centre, idols), and subversion of space (quantity, multitude, masses).

Well thank you there young man,for your positive
and ecouraging words of upliftingmentational goodinglessness,

kindest regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

Michael, good idea, but the problem with inclusion is that when you concieve of it, you create exclusion. I think that to be truly inclusive, you can't define. (Once you describe the Way, you have lost the Way). That being said, how are you thinking these terms relate to physics (or science or math)? (I think philosophically, they have already been defined). I like your example of sunshine!

[Mohan.C]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick I would like to start this thread with two Ideas,one about inclusiveness,and te other about exclusivness.I will open with what these mean to me,then leave it there,to comment further if there are any replies. First inclusiveness,I see that all in this universe is basically one,and that being so,I identify with the whole of existance,not some of it,but all of it,and see that mankind is as one,and i accept that,which to me is an absolute fact,I understand,that inclusiveness is theway of expansion,growth,fulfilment,and of acheiving perfect harmony with the all of maifestation. Second,exclusiveness,sounds very nice when you go to an exclusive "club"very special indeed!To me this stands for fragmentation,pieces,selfishness,and self seeking,ego lead and the cause of 99% of all this worlds problems.Of course there is no "real" harm in wanting to get a head in life,as long as we dont step on others to get there thatis.It has been said many times in the past,that the sun shines,it does not just select the rightous ones to shine on,all our included in its warmth.exclusiveness leaves people out,you do not count,there fore starve to death,am I my brothers keeper?Well yes you are actually! kindest regards michael.

Beautiful Idea, but i believe that through exclusiveness we can go for inclusiveness. Everyone must have one's own life-greedy, selfish, egoistic. And it is left to him to realize when he does. So inclusive comes if there is exclusive in the past. It is his own warm friendly hands that should reach out to embrace the society.

[mkirkpatrick]

Living within the parameters of natural law is
one of the hardest things a being here on earth can do!The trick is not to
concieve it,but to become the embodiment of the law of inclusion?Which is
a very difficult thingto do!I have given no thought at present asto how this
relates tothe sciences,I will consider the idea.

kindregards michael.

[harmonygirl]

Michael, this is an interesting idea, because my experience of the scientific community is that it is both extremely inclusive and sometimes extremely exclusive. It is one of the few realms where it seems that colleagues genuinely want to share their thoughts for the pursuit of truth, and if you can build on their thoughts, they welcome it (this website is a great example). There is, however, great ego in the community as well, which dictates exclusivity. Maybe you need both?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Michael, this is an interesting idea, because my experience of the scientific community is that it is both extremely inclusive and sometimes extremely exclusive. It is one of the few realms where it seems that colleagues genuinely want to share their thoughts for the pursuit of truth, and if you can build on their thoughts, they welcome it (this website is a great example). There is, however, great ego in the community as well, which dictates exclusivity. Maybe you need both?

Maybe we do,who knows?

kind regards michael,