[socratus]

The concept of Vacuum as infinite, eternal, absolute, homogeneous space,
speaks nothing to the scientists, causes them bewilderment and "horror".
They do not perceive how to derive some concrete actual values from
these characteristics. Not perceiving it, they look as bewitched at Vacuum.
The concepts such as "more, "less", "equal", "similar" do not conform to
the word "perpetuity/eternity". The perpetuity/eternity is something that has
not boundaries and discontinuity, it could not be compared with anything.
Having reasoned so, the scientists conclude that the perpetuity/eternity
defies physical and mathematical definition and cannot be taken into account
in actual processes. Therefore, they proclaimed the stringent requirement
(at a level of the censor of the law):
"Perpetuity/eternity should be removed in order for theory to be exact".
And all mathematical abilities, all mental energy they
direct to the removal of perpetuity. They invent different mathematical
"dodges": " method of renormalization ", “ mechanism of Higgs”, etc.
But it is "labor of Sizief". It is "battle of Don Quixote with a windmill".
They deceive both themselves and believers in science. All phenomena
of micro cosmoses require taking into consideration the structure
of indefinite/eternal Vacuum. Denying the fact of perpetuity scientists
deprive hope to create the Unified Theory of Geneses.
Therefore, it is necessary simply to understand and realize an essence
and importance of the structure of perpetuity/eternity.
Let us take an indefinitely decimal fraction 0, 99999999....
No matter how much times we would add 9 after comma, this number
will never become a unit: 0, 9999... ¹1.
Such unlimited repetition of the same has received the name of
" bad perpetuity". And really, it is impossible to deduce something concrete,
actual from it. Nevertheless, not such a "bad perpetuity" is seen in Vacuum,
which plays the relevant role in a Picture of Geneses.
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Why is Vacuum not a " bad perpetuity"?
Because Vacuum has one physical parameter: temperature .
Now consider that the Universe, as an absolute frame of reference is
in a condition of T = 2,7K (rests relic radiation of the Big Bang ).
Ok.
What geometric and physical parameters can particles have in T=2,7K?
Can they have a volume?
No.
According to the laws of physics :
J. Charles ( 1787), Gay-Lussac ( 1802), V. Nernst ( 1910),
A. Einstein ( 1925)
particles in a Vacuum cannot have density, volume and consequently should be
flat figures. This means, particles have the geometrical form of a circle, as from all
flat figures the circle has the most optimum form: C/D =p= 3,14.
What these "virtual" circles do in the Vacuum?
Nothing.
They are in a condition of rest: h = 0. So, maybe they are dead?
In order to answer of this question, it is necessary to more clearly understand
EMPTINESS- NOTHING.- VACUUM.
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In the physics models of the Vacuum have been created long time ago.
These are:
1) the Theory of ideal gas.
2) the Theory of absolutely black body.
3) negative four-dimensional space (Minkowski space - SRT).
There is no need to discover America again,
to build new theories of the Vacuum.
If we want to understand Vacuum it is necessary to ask:
what a geometrical and physical parameters
the particles in Vacuum T=0K (T=2,7K) can have?
The Physics starts with this question.
The Philosophy of science starts with this question.
Socratus.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by socratus The concept of Vacuum as infinite, eternal, absolute, homogeneous space, speaks nothing to the scientists, causes them bewilderment and "horror". They do not perceive how to derive some concrete actual values from these characteristics. Not perceiving it, they look as bewitched at Vacuum.If we want to understand Vacuum it is necessary to ask: what a geometrical and physical parameters the particles in Vacuum T=0K (T=2,7K) can have? The Physics starts with this question. The Philosophy of science starts with this question. Socratus.

I agree completely, Socratus.

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by socratus No. According to the laws of physics : J. Charles ( 1787), Gay-Lussac ( 1802), V. Nernst ( 1910), A. Einstein ( 1925)

V.Nernst?? I believe you mean WaltherNernst and his work on the equilibrium constant of chemistry or third law of thermodynamics.
http://www.maapt.org/programs/talks/maapt_20031025_gearhart.pdf
The problem of these laws of physics is that they are not describing a pure volume of emptiness. They attribute physical properties to vacuum, space, or the void and thus are "ETHER theories". The absolute void can only be viewed as a volume with infinity parameters. It is the place that mainstream science say did not exist until the Big Bang event; the something from nothing theory.

I guess my vote is that infinity is a reality.

[socratus]

To " dleviwing"
Thank you.
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Once more.
According to the laws of physics :
J. Charles ( 1787), Gay-Lussac ( 1802),
W. Nernst ( 1910), A. Einstein ( 1925)
particles in a Vacuum cannot have density, volume
and consequently should be flat figures.
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These laws tell, that then closer to zero T=0K,
then the particles lose more their volume.
The volume of these particles aspire to infinity.
And then this “ infinity” comes the brain of physicists
stop to work. They refuse to think any more.
And I say when volume of the particles disappear they
become “flat phantoms”.
These “flat phantoms” are not abstract particles, they are real ones.
Quantums of light flies with speed c=1 have such geometrical form.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by socratus To " dleviwing" Thank you. ============== Once more. According to the laws of physics : J. Charles ( 1787), Gay-Lussac ( 1802), W. Nernst ( 1910), A. Einstein ( 1925) particles in a Vacuum cannot have density, volume and consequently should be flat figures. =================== These laws tell, that then closer to zero T=0K, then the particles lose more their volume. The volume of these particles aspire to infinity. And then this “ infinity” comes the brain of physicists stop to work. They refuse to think any more. And I say when volume of the particles disappear they become “flat phantoms”. These “flat phantoms” are not abstract particles, they are real ones. Quantums of light flies with speed c=1 have such geometrical form.

Lorentz's formulations say exactly what you have stated, if extended to the infinite___it's just the foolish physicists refuse to believe the infinite math projections of such reality... It's sorta like 1/0, used to be excepted as a sensible mathematical definition of infinity, until electronic calculators came along and couldn't handle it, so physicists and mathematicians changed the rules of the game___to their own foolish demise... I hate to tell physicists and mathematicians, but 1/0 is still infinity___and absolutely necessary to keep our minds open to the advancement of real and true, new TOE's...

regards

[socratus]

Dear Lloyd Gillespie.
I agree with you.
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Exactly such situation and in Quantum physics.
Quantum theory says that at the interaction of the electron
with the vacuum, his energy and mass become infinite.
Physicists do not know what to do with “infinite”.
Physicists do not understand what to do with “infinite” sizes.
And therefore they have invented "a method of renormalization",
a method "to sweep the dust under the carpet" / Feynman./
This method is abstract.
The situation can be understood in another way.
Electrons, having the geometrical form of a sphere, lost their volume
and turned into an indefinitely flat circle, become “flat phantoms”.
These changes are described by the Lorentz transformations.