[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Mike 5

Hello

Nomadic existence, is what it means for me currently.

however, I do want to get back into posting here sometimes as I still quest the Big Toe, and will try not to put my foot in my mouth. Or anyone elses. So here goes.

I suggest the following answer - what does it mean to exist?

Ah. Existence, as we know it, has two aspects, and I have recently decided to give these the following labels: Blood, and Thinking.

Blood is material. Thinking is not. Blood is biology, but then again, all inanimate objects pulsate because they rotate, spin, orbit, and then have oscillations within oscillations. But by using the word blood, I am forcing a new thinking into this answer, OK.

Thinking - no need to expand too much on that for now.

The question is, how does the thinking get into the blood, and the body, and the material world.

And how does the blood capture, or consistently inform and react to the thinking.

My answer currently is love, but life is also another word I might use. Then again, I am using concepts in a new and provocative way, to stimulate new thinking. However, all this thinking is very different from the pulsing of your breathing, your heartbeat, and the spinning of atoms and the planet and the paths of comets and so on.

Existence is a temporary co-operation, and all that we can be sure of is that we pass on the baton to the next generation. And the monkeys passed it on to us, the amoeba before that...

Existence beyond what we can perceive or know is irrelevent, it may be there, but unless we can reliably be certain what is beyond our imagination and technical grasp to measure and sense, surely that is esoteric, belief, if we cannot really touch and grasp something?

Existence of mathematics? Maths does not exist for ants, or chimpanzees, only for this species. There is a mathematics of nature and in the universe and the atomic world, but I very much doubt that the simplistic classical traditional approach can map that.

So Existence is for me, at this stage in my theories, blood and thinking taking a ride together.

How they manage that, that is a very interesting topic...

Best wishes to all

Mike 5

Thank you Mike5,nice to see you back,and posting,hope you can stay awhile
you have been missed here on the toe.
regardsmichael,

[HappytheStripper]

Okay Michael .. here I am ..



In what ways can things be said to exist .. I mean most of us at some time or another would like to crawl under a rock and hide .. Do other existances exist beyond the physical world .. of the rock .. In what way do things exist?

What existed before existance?

All very mysterious .. I know .. however .. the opposite would be .. to not exist .. as has already been stated .. which sounds rather tempting .. wheres a rock when ya need one ..

To exist is to eventually not exist .. as we age and death becomes upon us .. which would have been made easier by not existing in the first place ..

Because we exist we know that non-existance is likely and quite possibly feared .. Unless you believe in life after death .. or existing after the end of your existance ..

I mean who truly knows .. Existence is very odd thing to contemplate ..

Just when I think I definitely exist I look beyond myself and try to think about the existence of others and I get all confused again .. is everything that exists .. an illusion my mind has created or do I actually exist .. ??

WOW ..

I have no way to prove my existence .. other than by my own thought ..

For a person to believe an object or a force exists they must sense it using one or more of their 5 senses .. Sight .. smell .. hear .. taste and touch.
When an object or force meets one of these senses we believe an object exists. Although this is a very weak belief so therefore it is better to clarify existence with as many senses as possible.

However .. these senses are not always reliable for they are able to be decieved.

Before me I see a computer screen. I know that it exists because as I can see it .. But if I switch of the light and make the room pitch black .. How do I know that the computer screen before me still exists ..

I mean I still think I exist in Location: c:\WINDOWS\system32

So to conclude .. in order to prove something is real we must experience it through our 5 senses however these senses may be born of deception .. So is there any way to prove anything really exists?

One more question B4 I contemplate the rock .. Does Consciousness Exist ..?? Or is it simply an awareness of ones own mind and therefore thought .. ??



Love Ashley .. xxxxxxx

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by HappytheStripper

Okay Michael .. here I am ..

In what ways can things be said to exist .. I mean most of us at some time or another would like to crawl under a rock and hide .. Do other existances exist beyond the physical world .. of the rock .. In what way do things exist?

What existed before existance?

All very mysterious .. I know .. however .. the opposite would be .. to not exist .. as has already been stated .. which sounds rather tempting .. wheres a rock when ya need one ..

To exist is to eventually not exist .. as we age and death becomes upon us .. which would have been made easier by not existing in the first place ..

Because we exist we know that non-existance is likely and quite possibly feared .. Unless you believe in life after death .. or existing after the end of your existance ..

I mean who truly knows .. Existence is very odd thing to contemplate ..

Just when I think I definitely exist I look beyond myself and try to think about the existence of others and I get all confused again .. is everything that exists .. an illusion my mind has created or do I actually exist .. ??

WOW ..

I have no way to prove my existence .. other than by my own thought ..

For a person to believe an object or a force exists they must sense it using one or more of their 5 senses .. Sight .. smell .. hear .. taste and touch.
When an object or force meets one of these senses we believe an object exists. Although this is a very weak belief so therefore it is better to clarify existence with as many senses as possible.

However .. these senses are not always reliable for they are able to be decieved.

Before me I see a computer screen. I know that it exists because as I can see it .. But if I switch of the light and make the room pitch black .. How do I know that the computer screen before me still exists ..

I mean I still think I exist in Location: c:\WINDOWS\system32

So to conclude .. in order to prove something is real we must experience it through our 5 senses however these senses may be born of deception .. So is there any way to prove anything really exists?

One more question B4 I contemplate the rock .. Does Consciousness Exist ..?? Or is it simply an awareness of ones own mind and therefore thought .. ??



Love Ashley .. xxxxxxx

Thanks Ashley,you have worked hard on your own post,just as it should be!
regards michael.

[HappytheStripper]

Okay so I have been doing some more research and came up with this ..

Dimensions of Existence

http://users.erols.com/interlac/chapters/slide2.jpg

Let me know what you think please ..

Ashley ..

[whitefalcon1679]

I'm going to post a comment on this. I've been reading through your question carefully, and I realize that there is no easy way to answer. For all I know, this answer is going to be extremely false.

Do other things exist beyond existence? That's a question that is mind-boggling. A spiritual world? A different parallel universe? According to the String Theory (the part that applies to this question), there are twelve different dimensions. So far, we know about four of them and we theorize about eight others. There are theories that if we can break into these planes, then going to Japan from the other side of the planet could take merely ten minutes by a car. However, this, although a nice idea, does not have evidence to back it up yet. String theory is very complicated, but is supposed to bridge the gap between quantum mechanics and general relativety. However, what if these different dimensions hold the key to finding new explanations for existence? For more information on it, go to http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/dimensions.html.

Existence is completely mind-set, at least for us. As you said, to exist is to eventually not exist, so why not skip the existence by not existing in the first place? Well, true. But how would you know about existence if you didn't exist? Existence, initially, is not the fact that you DO exist, but rather how you percieve it.

Who does know if we truly exist? What if we are just a part of an odd roleplaying game that another something is creating on a computer and is telling me right now to write this? I have no idea (although the idea is ludicrous, I used it for a basis of reference). Again, it is all in the mind. "I think, therefore I am." That is the best way to contemplate existence.

Of course the five senses are decieving-of course, that is again the mind decieving you. Is the mind decieving your existence? To the computer theory, you have other senses to find out if it is there. You can't see it. Can you touch it? Can you hear the hum as it turns on? Or are those illusions too? So to answer your question, no, you have no other way to prove that it exists other than believing it is there. If you make me close my eyes and you put something in front of me and you say I put an orange in front of you, now prove it without seeing, tasting, touching, feeling, or smelling it, I can't. I have to take your word for it. What a pity.
But we do have our senses. And that is what we theorize existence around. It completely goes out the window if you try to do otherwise.

And consiousness? Is it an awareness and therefore thought? Good question. Again, yes. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Unconsious people have no awareness of what is around them until their brain wakes them up and says yes, you may detect the things around you. Your brain is consious of more than you take it to be. It is consious of things that you usually are not. So is that consiousness? Yes. When a person is in a coma, the brain still performs the functions that it is told initially to do, make you breathe, heart beat, etc. Only until a person is completely brain-dead that they are no longer fully consious. The body can live on machines, but the brain will never wake them up. A body can be HEALED, say for an organ that needs to be donated, but the person is dead.

At least, that is what I think.

I really had to think about that too. Feel free to argue!

And my piece on String Theory is about Superstring Theory-let me know if I got any of that wrong.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by HappytheStripper

Okay so I have been doing some more research and came up with this ..

Dimensions of Existence

http://users.erols.com/interlac/chapters/slide2.jpg

Let me know what you think please ..

Ashley ..

Very interesting graph Ashley,but itdoes not answer the question,
what is existance,and what does it mean to ME to exist?
kind regards michael.

[whitefalcon1679]

As a human race, I believe that we exist for knowledge. We are the only race that theorizes, the only race capable of the thought processes that allow us to discover new formulas in math, research history, and create technology. We were creating technology first, tools that would benefit us, and we continued that and continue to do so today. Humans devour knowledge. We swallow it in great gulps, we grasp at it and drink it in and are always thirsting for more. No matter what we do, we want more. I think that is why the human race exists.
However, the reason you exist must only be determined by you. Religious people believe that you exist for a purpose, whether it be God or something else. It is up to you to discover that purpose, hence the initial idea of free will.
So if you believe that existence is a clever illusion of the mind, then we wonder how to break that illusion (I think of the Matrix, oddly enough). And that sparks the controversy of existence.

[harmonygirl]

whitefalcon, i'm not sure we are the only species to have reasoning powers. I am told that there are some whales that have entire maps of the ocean floor in their memory. Surely this is used to reason? But we are not the only species to exist, so perhaps theorizing does not define existence? philosophical concepts exist (eg numbers), or do they? What is the common denominator?

[ny2292000]

HI there...

I posted a blog called the Meaning of Material Existence...

http://hypergeometricaluniverse.blog...existence.html

where I explain the constraints imposed onto the matter states for them to exist... They have to be phase matched or the coherence frequency should match the rotational frequency of the soliton which should match the de Broglie stepwise expansion of the Hypergeometrical Shock Wave Universe...

Please feel free to comment

Thanks,

MP

[whitefalcon1679]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl

whitefalcon, i'm not sure we are the only species to have reasoning powers. I am told that there are some whales that have entire maps of the ocean floor in their memory. Surely this is used to reason? But we are not the only species to exist, so perhaps theorizing does not define existence? philosophical concepts exist (eg numbers), or do they? What is the common denominator?

The common denominator of existance? If this is the question, then there have been attempts to answer since we BEGAN theorizing about existance.
Reasoning powers differ in species. Reasoning can be as simple as which field a lion goes to hunt-the one with the gazelle or the one without. This was my intent on explaining human's existance-we theorize about things that seem impossible to answer. I do not see a whale doing this.
The common denominator of existance can be argued in the matters of science and religion. Religion says God. Science says evolution. However, with both theories in place, there is no one answer to this.
Say that God was the truth behind the reason for our existance. That means that the Bible is correct-he made the world in 7 days and we are descended from Adam and Eve. This explains the reason for our existance, but the meaning? Would those not be 2 different things?
Suppose science is correct, and the Big Bang theory was correct. That means that scientific properties combined with the odds in our favor created the earth and we just happened to evolve into the species that we are. Well, that also explains the reason we exist, but the meaning is still unclear.
So is the question, "What does it mean to exist?" or "What is the meaning of our existance?"