[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by sillysally Thanks, you too. I'll be roasting chestnuts over an open fire on January 6, January 7th is when my family get's together for the holy day. I won't be seeing my uncle Yule, he lives in Norway. BUT, I will be giving gifts to my girls on the 25th, can't escape American culture and make them feel alienated. Santa never came to my house when I was a little girl so I thought I was bad. I think my husband broke my finger, but I don't have too many bruises so I must not have fought back.

Many thanks sillysally I understand what you are saying,take care.

merry xmas michael.

[theunify]

Originally Posted by sillysally Hi Baudrunner, I actually have a theory on the biblical life span amount of time. The earth spun faster then, so a day was equal to 3.42 hours. I have this written out somewhere on the net, I'll find it and copy and past it. I figured it with a beginning at 6,000 years ago (the mountains weren't as high so there was not so much spin lag), and I also figured the first 7 days to amount to a few million (in our current time understanding). Gosh, I think about so many things and right now I can't remember how I came up with the math except that I divided 7 days into 24 hours and the 2 middle days (tuesday and wednesday or thursday), were equal days. They took the longest to create and were more like one big day. So with time slowing down, we really don't know how old we are. I'll find it if you are interested. But it might be too simple that it confuses people.

Originally Posted by baudrunner Hi, sillysally, Welcome to the quest. I don't know how you feel about mixing science and theoretical speculation with the pragmatic because that's where I come from. I tend to rain on people's parades. Any reference, usually biblical, to people living outrageous ages like 800 or 900 years as found in the Book of Genesis actually refers to the phases of the moon. The "year" that is being referred to is actually a month. The primitive minds of those who wrote the stories so many thousands of years ago did not accept real science, likely did not even speak the language of their masters (the Egyptians) who did have some astronomical knowledge, and were not aware of seasonal changes in a land where it was only periodically hot and then somewhat less hot, and not predictably at that. The phases of the moon are an excellent reference in telling time. Try dividing 12 into those large three digit numbers and you get an age which is normal for any time for any reasonably healthy individual who eats well. We only live somewhat longer now because we have better medicines. You are actually wondering why we can't live forever. I have expounded elsewhere on this site as to the process that determines life to exist but I will skip most of it and give you the short answer. The evolution of a single-celled life with a few nucleotide sequences in them to a single-celled life with a nucleus, or a eukaryote, occurred over a span of 2 billion years. The evolution of eukaryotes into the simplest multi-cellular life, ie.- a bilateral (left and right side) creature with a mouth and an anus, now long extinct, occured over a span of 1.5 billion years; and the evolution from that simple lifeform to humans occurred over a span of 650 million years. So you see, the simple fact is that evolution is an accelerating process. If life had become manifest into one giant infinitely existing sentient intelligent being it would have become obsolete over time. Life must of needs be finite, and continuously in production in order to meet the requirement that it manifests as a matter of course for perpetuity, given the conditions that allow it to do so.

Anyone can make up a theory, what real world observation led you to this conclusion?

[sillysally]

Originally Posted by theunify Anyone can make up a theory, what real world observation led you to this conclusion?

Are you asking me? I read it in the bible, that is a real thing. But you have to remember that people thought differently back then, their conscious awareness was different so understanding the bible requires a different frame of mind. Plus, about being mortal, it is our conscious that fights death, the proof is technology and medicine. Why would we come to this point with modern medicine if we are supposed to die? Because our awareness is different now, we will constantly fight death and one day we will win.

The bible even says that God is not a god of death. I feel bad for the people that have had to die already, although if the answer is not in medicine or technology then the answer is in keeping the blood line clean. Lineage, that is also in the bible and why we are not supposed to mix blood. DNA might spontaneously regenerate itself if you begat within your own tribe. I am 14th generation of the same name in my family, my dad was the last first born son to carry the name for 13 generations. Now I married and made baby with a man from my culture (tribe), I am the only one in my family that has clean blood with child, everyone else mixed with unknowns. He was the first born son but we don't have a boy so the name may not carry and I am hoping our daughter will marry in our culture because our mortality rate is higher than the birth rate, we will be another lost civilization, Macedonian. Probably become myth like how the Greeks think we come from Zeus so they did not allow us to participate in Olympics because we were stronger than them.

[baudrunner]

Anyone can make up a theory, what real world observation led you to this conclusion?

I will assume that you are talking to me, theunify. (I think you intend for your handle to be theunity because theunify is actually pretty bad English and doesn't really make any sense. Why don't you create the new handle and stop using the old one? Just an idea.)

What is easier than making up a theory is to challenge it without providing a counter-submission to substantiate one's doubts.

The real world experience I draw upon in the first paragraph of my previous post is plain common sense:
1. people just don't live that long and it is ridiculous to think that they did
2. people were stupid in those days
3. they lived close enough to the equator to make it virtually impossible to tell one season from another.
4. therefore the moon is the ideal time reference
5. the result of calculating their ages by dividing them by twelve gives rational numbers representing normal lifespans. What made those biblical figures special is that they lived relatively long lives for any time, especially in a time when ordinary people were kicking off normally at around thirty to forty years of age.

As to my real world experience pertaining to the second paragraph, the numbers were obtained from one of the many NASA websites on the subject of evolution. The conclusion that I drew is an obvious one.

Therefore no theoretical thought went into that post, just plain common sense and logic. Satisfied?