[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao the first person to use some forms of number systems. But the most basic form is the binary system of 'yes' and 'no' or '1' and '0' numbers.

Antonio, I mentioned this: I mean a sophisticated mathematician. Like archemides, pithagoras...

[AntonioLao]

both Archimedes and Pythagoras had teachers to teach them and the teachers had teachers and the teachers had teachers ..., which all of these information are written in the lost scrolls of ancient records. So, until someone discovers these lost scrolls, your question must remains unanswerable and undecidable.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao both Archimedes and Pythagoras had teachers to teach them and the teachers had teachers and the teachers had teachers ..., which all of these information are written in the lost scrolls of ancient records. So, until someone discovers these lost scrolls, your question must remains unanswerable and undecidable.

BUT....NO!!!

Both archemides and pythagoras where genius! People think that genius just mean someone very inteligent in something, but no! Genius is having the eaasy ability to learn something about something, and then, start creating from there! Like Einstein, Mozard... Pythagoras created many things. His teachers didn't create so much (well, I'm not sure (this is why I started this thread) of this because in anciant greece there was a lot of teacher-pupil relation).

[AntonioLao]

Einstein failed in his math courses still he discovered relativity.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao Einstein failed in his math courses still he discovered relativity.

What math courses? I read that when he was 16 he took a math textbook read it through in a few minutes and already new it all. Is this true?


Anyway, a genius is someone who discoveres new things. And Einstein did. Although I could tell you that in order to imagen such great things like ihe did, he must have had a basis of knowledge on physics and math. He based a lot of things in math. The knowledge always stays a t apoint, and then, it' simagination what is valuable.

[AntonioLao]

GUILLE,

see the site below to see Einstein failed the exam for becoming an electrical engineer.

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~.../Einstein.html

Einstein was a great thinker, a critical thinker. He used math as tools for doing these thinking processes. With the helps from his mathematician friend Grossmann, he was able to finalize his general theory of relativity, but tensor analysis is not the only math that can solve problems for a TOE.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao GUILLE, see the site below to see Einstein failed the exam for becoming an electrical engineer. http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~.../Einstein.html Einstein was a great thinker, a critical thinker. He used math as tools for doing these thinking processes. With the helps from his mathematician friend Grossmann, he was able to finalize his general theory of relativity, but tensor analysis is not the only math that can solve problems for a TOE.

What other mass are you refering to?

By the way, he failed but then succeded in physics and math.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE What other mass are you refering to?

I am referring to inertial mass and gravitational mass and the common denominator of these masses is potential mass (quantized mass). The other mass is the kinetic mass or mass of motion (only continuous mass defines concept of densities and volumes).

By the way, he failed but then succeded in physics and math.

like everyone else, by not giving up his endeavors, Einstein lived and learned and if he is still alive today, he definitely would have learned how to do the TOE steps dance of physics and math.

[AntonioLao]

GUILLE,

you might like to browse thru this site for all famous mathematicians, living or dead. I tried but couldn't find who was the first mathematician.

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/h...athematicians/

[mkirkpatrick]

we will never know that one,but if I did I would take my hat off to him if I had one that is??


regards michael