[Guille]

Originally Posted by subversion

Very good observation. SO certain statements can be made which are universally true according to the statements themselves. Now what I was showing is that some universally true observations can also be contradictory in appearance, such as the observation that the speed of light is a constant rate of change. Would a constant rate of change be considered constant, or be considered changing?

What about the notion that the best objectivity is absolute subjectivity? What about the notion that naievety is the same thing as true understanding?
What about belief in a proven fact?
What about how crying and laughing become the same sound when expressed at their most audible extremes?

All these things are contradictory, are they not?

Sub, you just need to develop higher degrees. For constant change, a theory of change of change, would mean there is no change. For objectivity being subjectivity, a theory of the subjectivity of objectivity would mean there is no subjectivity. ETZ...

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by enton

John 18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

Anyway, we have websites that you may investigate truths about the Bible and truths in the Bible, http://www.churchofgodinternational..../bibtopics.htm (or www.theoldway.org ) and www.theoldpath.tv for webcasts.

We all know what the bible says Enton,but what I am interested in is what you as
an individual say,we can read the Good Book,but how can we read You when
all you do is quote from the Bible.and give nothing from yourself?

kind regards michael.

[enton]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

We all know what the bible says Enton,but what I am interested in is what you as
an individual say,we can read the Good Book,but how can we read You when
all you do is quote from the Bible.and give nothing from yourself?

kind regards michael.

There are varieties of truths. There are seeming truths which at first will appear to be true, but in the end, just mere lies. In direct opposite, the so-called Intelligent Design and its proponents might not appear to be pro-God, but they actually are.

For me, being a christian, my truth is the Word of God, Jesus Christ. The Bible has truths, but not all the words in it are God's words.

If you want some scientific truths, just open these links that I visited on the net:

Creatures Frozen for 32,000 Years Still Alive

http://www.livescience.com/othernews/050223_arctic_life.html

Life Found Near Sub-Antarctic Lake, Fueling ET Hopes ( http://www.space.com/news/life_strange_991209.html )

Wild Things: The Most Extreme Creatures ( http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/050207_extremophiles.html )

They Thrive in the Arctic, Why Not On Mars? ( http://www.space.com/searchforlife/permafrost.html )

[harmonygirl]

so you consider your links to contain truth? I still don't know what YOU consider to be true

[enton]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl

so you consider your links to contain truth? I still don't know what YOU consider to be true

There are people who happen to claim they have the truth, but perhaps, only what they consider as "the truth". When one evaluates a thing, he/she shall consider some things. I remember the quotation form Pascal, "it is far better to know something about everything than to know everything all about one thing." Thos quotation from B. Pascal is not in harmony with Biblical truths.

Why not try "truth in focus" religious program here : http://www.churchofgodinternational....eg_focus_1.htm or if you want to listen the webcast click www.theoldpath.tv and browse Video Gallery archive.

[harmonygirl]

Enton, thanks for the reference to the thoughts of others. I am, however, interested in what YOU know to be true. What does your experience tell you is true?

[Aiya-Oba]

Truth is self-fulfillment.
It is impossible for anything,
to be false to itself,
and be true to all else.
-Aiya-Oba

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Aiya-Oba

Truth is self-fulfillment.
It is impossible for anything,
to be false to itself,
and be true to all else.
-Aiya-Oba

I tend to agree wholeheartly with that statement.


kind regards michael.

[Aiya-Oba]

Hi Mkirkpatrick:
Thanks ,for your understanding.
-Aiya-Oba

[Guille]

I believe opposite. People fill themselves up with lies, such as god, morals, and other illusions, including the idea of truth itself. They don't fill with truth, truth is always vacuum, science is vacuum (only spacetime, dimentional disposition). Art is energy and philosophy is matter. The force (source for all energy and motion) is intelligence, all the rest is illusion.