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MJA · **Re: What is truth,can we know it? -** 08-13-2007, 12:16 PM

What is the truth?

Truth is!

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MJA

DeadWrong · 02:11 PM

When Einstein came out with the theory of relativity, it changed science as we knew it. It was such a profound transformation in thinking that scientists in other disciplines worked on the theory that there must be relativity in all things. This has had disastrous consequences on the scientific community, and even society as a whole, the level of unclear thinking it has evolved is simply stunning. We now have relative morality, relative truth, everything is now relative.

There was a period of time in the development of mathematics where new theory ground to a halt. Once they came up with the concept of Zero, all sorts of math were possible. Then the relativists came in and stated that 2+2=5 when you're dealing with very large values of two, and 100 didn't equal 100, it actually was 99.9999999999999 because if you take 100 and divide it by 3, then multiply by 3, you get 99.9999999... People started getting so caught up on the over thinking of simple concepts that progression halted. It wasn't until... I forget the mathematicians name, but he stated essentially "That is fine if you want to consider 2+2=5, but for me and my math, it equals four, and I will assume in all my calculations that it is equal to 4." and the serious debate eventually ended.

Sure people still debate the subject, heck, some still even believe it. Just like there is still the flat earth society.

DeadWrong · **Re: What is truth,can we know it? -** 08-13-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by volantis

Hi Michael,

You are using "truth" in two, entirely different contexts. In fact, there are two unrelated concepts here, which happen to have the same name. There is general dichotomy of true/false and then there is the absolute Truth, which completely transcends the duality of true/false.
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We should have different terms to name these different concepts. That would go a long way to alleviate the confusion.

I LOVE your post, which reminds me of the other word we use to mean different things. I love my wife/kids, and I Love ice cream...

Profpat · **Re: What is truth,can we know it? -** 08-15-2007, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJA

What is the truth?

Truth is!

=
MJA

You are right MJA, but that includes mankind.

It might not be the truth you would like to see;
but the mankind you see today is the true mankind here and now. And therfor, the mankind we have to deal with, even if you don't like it.

Its like Plato's perfect circle, its a concept an idea, in reality there is no perfect circle, only approximations,
uncertain imperfect, but that's the WAY it IS and thats the truth.

Best to all,

Pat

mkirkpatrick · **Re: What is truth,can we know it? -** 08-15-2007, 06:54 PM

If you accept the principle as I do,that we are the very embodiment of truth,then it follows
I think,that as we grow in self knowledge and understanding,then too does our grasp on truth enlarge.

As we grow to realize and understand the falsehood of exclusiveness,and begin to
embrace the dawning reality of inclusiveness,then the blinding curtain of selfishness
will be lifted,and we will see "with new eyes",which of course will lead to more revelation
of truth and reality.

So the answer to the question I posed in this thread starter is "YES" we can know truth
as much as we are able to"know" ourselves.

regards michael.

Profpat · **Re: What is truth,can we know it? -** 08-15-2007, 07:20 PM

Thank you for the answer Michael;

I don't think exclusiveness is a falsehood in that it is.
Ignorance is, it might not be desirable, but truely it is.

I do agree that we should attempt to know ourselves.

" Know thyself " Socrates

"This above all:
To thine own self be true,
for it follows as dost the night the day,
that canst not then be false to any man."
Shakespeare

Best to all,

Pat

mkirkpatrick · **Re: What is truth,can we know it? -** 08-15-2007, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Profpat

Thank you for the answer Michael;

I don't think exclusiveness is a falsehood in that it is.
Ignorance is, it might not be desirable, but truely it is.

I do agree that we should attempt to know ourselves.

" Know thyself " Socrates

"This above all:
To thine own self be true,
for it follows as dost the night the day,
that canst not then be false to any man."
Shakespeare

Best to all,

Pat

Cheers Pat,yes very true ,you are right of course exclusiveness is not a falsehood as such
rather the result of our ignorance.
regards michael.