[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra

michael, ls. would like you to explain to us the basic requirements,if any,before an aspirant try meditation!is meditation as simple as 'body-workouts', or it is something deeper,which means more than mere concentration of mind!these queries are of paramount importance,as each dicipline which is testable in the laboratory of human body,has to be undertaken with caustion& after duly observing the laid down norms.ls.

Ls many thanks for your reply,as it isvery late and I grow weary,i shall be brief.The requirements for meditation are I feel,sincerity in purpose,curosity?
and a sense of "there mustbe more than this" I hope?Meditation is a life long
endevour,begin it with hope!
kind regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

sense controll, purety of thought, word and deed; do these 'things' have any meaning, or these are just frivolous asides, because in all the discussions, ls. finds these things amiss.in the science of 'soul', some basics, which help in the refinement of our finer sensitivities,are essential.but to the ignorance of the ls. these are not given any weightage.mind,energy,conscious,natural forces are given priority over 'things'which the wise considered of paramount importance.laws of nature,plus consciousness (in theory), ain't going to help.these questions are specifically put to you,because you are better qualified to provide proper answer&satisfy the doubts of the 'fringe-sitters'!ls.

[whitefalcon1679]

Wouldn't you think that thinking with the heart has a lot to do with intuition? I agree-this type of thinking comes with time. But I am not sure-I would think that this type of thinking is something you are born with. The realization that you think this way and you are able to think this way comes with time-and that is when the control of it sets in. But that doesn't mean that it is locked away, and then the person unlocks it for use.
Correct me if I am wrong.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by whitefalcon1679

Wouldn't you think that thinking with the heart has a lot to do with intuition? I agree-this type of thinking comes with time. But I am not sure-I would think that this type of thinking is something you are born with. The realization that you think this way and you are able to think this way comes with time-and that is when the control of it sets in. But that doesn't mean that it is locked away, and then the person unlocks it for use.
Correct me if I am wrong.

whitefalcon,thinking with the heart has indeed something to dowith intuition!
But when this is balanced with the mind also,then greater depth is achieved.
We unfold as the lotus before the warmth of the sun,but unlike the lotus,that
has but a short blossom,ours lasts much,much,longer?We are the product of
evolution,and some have been practising much longer than others?By right
thinking,actions,and deeds,and daily mental discipline,we evolve,we unfold,
we expand our consciousness.Your own self will correct you whitefalcon,
not I!
regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

Originally Posted by whitefalcon1679

Wouldn't you think that thinking with the heart has a lot to do with intuition? I agree-this type of thinking comes with time. But I am not sure-I would think that this type of thinking is something you are born with. The realization that you think this way and you are able to think this way comes with time-and that is when the control of it sets in. But that doesn't mean that it is locked away, and then the person unlocks it for use.
Correct me if I am wrong.

who are we to correct? the heart (spiritual-heart) which is saturated with human values,is the right medium for the realisation of That,which the wise refer to as 'soul' or the third eye!with love&regards.ls.

[sillysally]

The third eye is located at the frontal lobe and that area of the brain dictates logic and reason. I got a funny feeling that there is no intuition involved.

[mkirkpatrick]

The "eye of Shiva" in the human being has its position in the centre of the forehead,
between the two physical eyes.It is not to be confounded with the pineal gland,which is
distinctly a physical centre or gland.

the third eye exists in etheric matter,and is an etheric centre of force,whereas the pineal
gland is formed of matter of the three lower sub-planes ofthe physical plane,the latter,
nevertheless,has to be functioning more or less,before the "eye of Shiva" becomes in any
degree active.

Through the sustained and focussed practise of meditation and visualisation,the third eye
can be opened,there will however be a price to pay,for this opening.


regards michael.

[sillysally]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Through the sustained and focussed practise of meditation and visualisation,the third eye can be opened,there will however be a price to pay,for this opening.


regards michael.

I see it as the opposite, you pay a price for medication when your whole brain does not function as one unit. Although lack of foresight isn't usually something people think they need medication for so I understand your "reasoning" about the price you think you will pay.

[r.p.bibra]

unless our thought,word&deed are in complete harmony,no amount of concentration or contemplation is going to help us in attaining the state of meditation we seek. The influence of our negative tendencies& wrong way of life---which self-centred and hurtful to others,is an impediment to our desired goal. one has to sacrifice one's ego, over-indulgence&live a life which adorns love and compassion for all living beings---heart never,help ever. this is the type of (self)sacrifice brother michael speaks about!are we ready for it?bravo,try it,you will really 'achieve'&understand what he(michael)is talking about!love&regards.ls.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by sillysally

I see it as the opposite, you pay a price for medication when your whole brain does not function as one unit. Although lack of foresight isn't usually something people think they need medication for so I understand your "reasoning" about the price you think you will pay.

Am I understanding you correctly here?Are you implying that meditation,and medication
are one of the same?Or have you misread the word meditate,and thought you saw medicate?
The price I mentioned has absolutely nothing to do with money-financial loss etc,but the
price of becoming more and more disciplined,and inner -centred,rather that outer self
centered.


regards michael.