[sillysally]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Am I understanding you correctly here?

No.

Are you implying that meditation,and medication

are one of the same?

Funny how it does look the same. I was using it as an analogy, concentration narrows the mind to think of one particular thing. Hence not using the whole brain at once and when peoples brains don't function they way they should, they use medication. I allow my conscious to flow freely without any effort and in return my mind functions wholly with broad integrations. Call it creative logical thinking, most people find it hard to understand without the unnecessary details because it is too broad for people that concentrate on one thing at a time.

Or have you misread the word meditate,and thought you saw medicate?

No.

The price I mentioned has absolutely nothing to do with money-financial loss etc,but the

price of becoming more and more disciplined,and inner -centred,rather that outer self
centered.

That’s called maturity, thinking on your own. Not being a follower but a leader. It is a loss when a person spends so much time concentrating on being able to use foresight when the answer is always in front of them. Ironic, isn’t it? Following other peoples idea’s are contrary to what you are trying to attain. The only danger I see is when there is a lack of discipline, most people are too lazy to think on their own, therefore they medicate. Meditation has the same effect in a sense, they are dependent and immature.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by sillysally

No.



Funny how it does look the same. I was using it as an analogy, concentration narrows the mind to think of one particular thing. Hence not using the whole brain at once and when peoples brains don't function they way they should, they use medication. I allow my conscious to flow freely without any effort and in return my mind functions wholly with broad integrations. Call it creative logical thinking, most people find it hard to understand without the unnecessary details because it is too broad for people that concentrate on one thing at a time.



No.




That’s called maturity, thinking on your own. Not being a follower but a leader. It is a loss when a person spends so much time concentrating on being able to use foresight when the answer is always in front of them. Ironic, isn’t it? Following other peoples idea’s are contrary to what you are trying to attain. The only danger I see is when there is a lack of discipline, most people are too lazy to think on their own, therefore they medicate. Meditation has the same effect in a sense, they are dependent and immature.

Are you saying then,or prehaps implying,that those meditate,are dependent and immature! As there are millions who meditate daily,it would be of interest as to your
reply.

regards michael.

[sillysally]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Are you saying then,or prehaps implying,that those meditate,are dependent and immature! As there are millions who meditate daily,it would be of interest as to your
reply.

regards michael.

Yes. People that meditate are followers of whatever it is they are studying (eastern philosophy? I don't even know where it comes from.). Not using their own mind makes the mind immature, dependant like a child. Meditation is a type of concentration, that severly limits the mind to only one thought as opposed to multi tasking. I am really surprised that those enlightened teachers haven't informed their followers that they do more damage than good.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by sillysally

Yes. People that meditate are followers of whatever it is they are studying (eastern philosophy? I don't even know where it comes from.). Not using their own mind makes the mind immature, dependant like a child. Meditation is a type of concentration, that severly limits the mind to only one thought as opposed to multi tasking. I am really surprised that those enlightened teachers haven't informed their followers that they do more damage than good.

Prehaps Sillysally the reason those enlightened teachers say nothing to their chelas
is because they know more about the science of mind than you appear to!


regards michael.

[sillysally]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Prehaps Sillysally the reason those enlightened teachers say nothing to their chelas
is because they know more about the science of mind than you appear to!


regards michael.

Are you saying you are not a master because you are saying something to me? Then you shouldn't go around asking silly questions and telling people they don't appear to know much. It's not very encouraging for people seeking enlightenment. Also, you are supposed to just flat out tell the seekers the truth, not question them. But you are no master so don't take this personaly.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by sillysally

Are you saying you are not a master because you are saying something to me? Then you shouldn't go around asking silly questions and telling people they don't appear to know much. It's not very encouraging for people seeking enlightenment. Also, you are supposed to just flat out tell the seekers the truth, not question them. But you are no master so don't take this personaly.

You are absolutely correct there sillysally,I am no master,and do not take this
personaly.Again correct me if I am wrong,,I have never claimed to be as such!


regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by sillysally

Are you saying you are not a master because you are saying something to me? Then you shouldn't go around asking silly questions and telling people they don't appear to know much. It's not very encouraging for people seeking enlightenment. Also, you are supposed to just flat out tell the seekers the truth, not question them. But you are no master so don't take this personaly.

Sally, how can you ever seek enlightenment through the mind ? Is the mind not the creator of all the suffering in this material world ?

Enlightenment is to stop the mind and its thinking and how can you ever do that if you allow your consciousness or spirit to flow freely without any effort or control on your part and in turn allow your mind to control your consciousness and subject you to its qualities of - Lust - Anger - Greed - Attachment - and Ego or selfishness? The "Law of the Jungle."

Is the mind not the primary force in this physical-material universe and is this physical universe not a realm of - pain - sorrow - suffering and death?

Enlightenment is to realize that the mind and its thinking are the "cause" and the failure to control our own consciousness and allowing the mind to control and imprison it in its illusions is what is creating the "effects" of pain - sorrow - suffering - and death. Sally you in Truth are not silly so wake up and realize your non-silly "True Self."

[sillysally]

Uh yeah, I am a human being just like everyone else. I don't want to deprive myself of the human experience, hence my feelings and emotions. I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone to hold their feelings in, however there is a thing called emotional intelligence which means to understand feelings and control them. Just because I get angry and yell sometimes does not mean I am not in control of myself, I accept full responsiblity for my silly behavior.