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    Re: The nature of glamour,and its hold on us.

    I agree glamour is a somewhat disturbing social phenomenon. It is probably just as strong currently as it had been in the past, but there its comical aspects become more apparent because we have become more separated from its objects.
    I suspect a mind with an intellectual bent hasn’t got much use for it and has trouble understanding its utility (if any).
    I have no answer to that only a few rambling thoughts. It seems our consciousness is painted like water color where neighboring things melt into one another. Glamour probably has many interesting neighbors that resemble it very much on the borders. One could list them but that would start several new topics. I can’t help thinking of ancient Egypt where the pharaohs ruled by personal magic. (3300 years!)
    I think the people have a hunger for “beauty” which this “actor” skillfully simplifies and keeps offering in a convenient package.

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    Smile Re: The nature of glamour,and its hold on us.

    Glamour,alluring,illusory charm.Some quality or feature exerting a fascinating
    influence.A mentally conditioning characteristic ofthe emotional,astral plane.
    An incorrect interpretation and response to that which is perceived.Anything
    that is distorted is glamour.The basic cause of illusion,glamour,and maya,is
    Duality!A sense of seperation from the higher energies and consciousness
    of the soul,which forces oneto identify oneself exclusively with the material
    world,the physical form,andouter appearance,and to focus ones awareness
    on their engulfing phenomena to the point of delusion!One sees oneself as an
    ongoing helpless victim of forces and energies of which one has no real
    understanding,and over which one has no real control.Duality is a state of
    being dual,of consisting of two parts,as in body and soul,matter and spirit.
    It is brought about by an act of seperation,of dividing,of disconnecting,
    of disunity from an intergrated whole!We need to dispel the mists.and fog of
    glamour,by re-cognising that we are all interconnected and as one?
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    Re: The nature of glamour,and its hold on us.

    Great thread and article...
    Lots of wonderful responses and writing.

    I think a key distinction should be made between Beauty and Glamour.

    Beauty - the quality of an object of sense or thought that arouses admiration, approval, or pleasure. 2. a particular trait, grace, charm that pleases. :)

    Glamour - adj. alluring, charm.

    Notice both have the words charm in their definition.

    Beauty is a good thing! In people, places, animals, and things. And of course its entirely subjective to the individual.
    I think spiders are beautiful.

    But I prefer to ignore fake-plastic-superficial-artificial-flashy-"blingy"-substanceless excesses. That kind of Glamour.
    An assertion is Zen only if it itself is an act and does not refer to anything asserted in it.

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    Smile Re: The nature of glamour,and its hold on us.

    Many thanks for your input and comments Zenclone.When dealing with
    glamour,we use the quality of synthesis in a different way.We are told that
    glamour can be resolved by holding the mind in the light of the soul.This
    process allows for a clear light to expose glamours.Again it is the strong
    and "coherent" light reflected in the mind that can penetrate the fogs and
    miasmas of the astral plane.
    The exposure of glamour allows the laser-like coherence from synthesis to
    burn away the astral fogs,which cloud the lens of our perception.
    As we look within,"tune in" to our higher selves-the soul,then will our sight
    be more able to see beyond the veil?

    kind regards michael.
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    Re: The nature of glamour,and its hold on us.

    Duality seems so fundamental to the visible and "invisible" cosmos that one is tempted to hypothesize two fundamental "gods" bumping into each other and their "communication" forming our very dynamic cosmos.
    Surprisingly I only heard of one Native American mythology based on dual gods.

    The Egyptian I think had four communicants. The gnostics (W Blake) also four, although there had been for him a "divine family" which was supposedly arching over the four but he had next to no business with them.
    Than closer to the new age is the "bored god" who divides itself chasing its own tail (mirrored by the serpent=nature) packing unspeakable evil scattered in tiny or large mirrors throughout (see birth trauma as example: expulsion from no problem land to struggling and choking in aimless terrible darkness without exit for what seems an eternity before seeing a light at the end of a devastatingly narrow tunnel and then: deliverance in the light - well, sort of.

    Yes we are one but cannot stay one. Looking "down" we are giant energy packs in a quantum ocean, looking up we are like quantum bugs in the vacuous body of some other giant. I'd say it is a muscular unity.

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    Smile Re: The nature of glamour,and its hold on us.

    I enjoyed your comments on the last post here,Jim,thank you.
    Glamours appear to be the result of a lack of a sense of proportion resulting
    in self-importance-a kind of ego trip of the personality.Best tackled by self-
    forgetfulness and by cultivating a realistic sense of proportion.
    Light is the goal for all,light must flood through the veils,piercing the dark-
    nes of our natures.Illuminating and weakening the hold of maya,of glamour
    and of illusion.Then we will be able to see these barriers for what they are,
    obstacles to a reality that awaits us all!

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    Smile Re: The nature of glamour,and its hold on us.

    Mastery of the world of glamour requires recognizing the many personal
    glamours that besiege and seduce our personality,and transmuting these
    desires so that the personality is a willing vehicle for the soul.It is often while
    on a glamorised tangent we realize we are not yet masters of this world.
    The challenge is to transmute desire for the things,opportunities and people that we think will bring us the self-satisfaction we crave.We are transmuting
    desire into the love of the soul.This love does not need to be,own or experience anything for the separated self.
    To master the world of illusion and glamour we need toknow we are not alone
    and unique as a separated self.

    regards michael.
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    Smile Re: The nature of glamour,and its hold on us.

    The needy and greedy world of glamour noisily demands attention using
    negitive energies of fear and separation which ensnares its victims in a
    continuous web of illusion.This builds tremendous interference when attempting soul contact and creates wastelands at all levels.
    The practical antidote is found in the development of a quiet attitude
    of indifference.The worlds of glamour and illusion cannot exist when ignored
    and their demand becomes more and more feeble until they vanish back into
    their origins of nothingness.

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    Smile Re: The nature of glamour,and its hold on us.

    One of the most basic glamours that all spiritual seekers have to face is found in the word
    "love.
    Everyone is effected by this quality of love because love is the basic quality of this
    solar system.But love has become so deeply identified with the personal nature,with
    feelings and affection and physical love that it is difficult to see it in any other context.

    We all want to love and beloved.But in ones quest for love it can often swing to an
    exteme and then become more deeply imbedded and crystallised and inflexible.

    This is a love that loves its own point of view and can see no other.
    It is a love that actually impedes the greater inclusive love of the soul.

    A glamour is not seen as a glamour until it is recognised as a problem in theway of ones thinking and feeling and reacting.
    Up until then the glamours and the illusions that one carries around are simply the way the world works.
    When we are moved by our own dis-content,we begin to examine the way we operate
    and check into our motives for inter-personal dealings.
    regards michael.
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    Smile Re: The nature of glamour,and its hold on us.

    I would like to here propose three aspects as to the nature of glamour.these are;
    1)Illusion is primarily of a mental quality and was characteristic of the attitude of mind of
    those people who are more intellectual than emotional.
    They have outgrown glamour as usually understood.It is the misunderstanding of ideas
    and thoughtforms of which they are guilty,and of misinterpretations.

    2)Glamour is astral in character,andis far more potent at this time than illusion,owing to
    the enormous majority of people who function astrally always.


    3)Maya is vital in character and is a quality of force.It is essentially the energy of the
    human being as it swings into activity through the subjective influence of the mental
    illusion or astral glamour or of both in combination.

    It is when we can begin to function as more inclusive,rather than exclusive,and see the
    interconnectivity with all form,that we will begin to dispel the fogs and mists of glamour.

    regards michael.
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