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04-29-2007, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MJA  Both Lloyd? Perhaps you could help us wayward souls in a yellow wood where two roads diverge. Mr. Frost and I as well as many others would like to take both and don't know how.
ROAD LESS TRAVELED
How??
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As you study both, or all, you travel both, or all, do you not? Then the true path lights its own direction...
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09-12-2007, 02:50 AM
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Yeah thats pretty interesting and the
suggestion sounds great indeed.Well
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09-12-2007, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie As you study both, or all, you travel both, or all, do you not? Then the true path lights its own direction...
Lloyd | ...and that path or light of truth is ONE! Well done Lloyd. = MJA
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09-12-2007, 05:14 PM
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I had asked another math teacher here, ProPat, to have a go at explaining some of the rebuttals regarding .999 being equal to 1. Perhaps you can have a go at it, Brian? | | | | 9th degree Black Belt
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09-13-2007, 09:50 PM
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Verdy, verdy bad interpretation of my statement, MJA... If your one be true, explain scientifically how it splits into the many...
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Originally Posted by MJA ...and that path or light of truth is ONE!
Well done Lloyd.
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09-13-2007, 09:52 PM
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Sure Nobody, it's one .999, but .999 is never 1.
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Originally Posted by N0B0DY I had asked another math teacher here, ProPat, to have a go at explaining some of the rebuttals regarding .999 being equal to 1. Perhaps you can have a go at it, Brian? |
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09-14-2007, 01:05 AM
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I agree, Lloyd, but mathematicians don't agree with each other and I wanted to know if there is presently a leaning to one side or the other.
Some of the arguments are as follows:
"In mathematics, the recurring decimal 0.999… , denotes a real number equal to 1. In other words, "0.999…" represents the same number as the symbol "1". The equality has long been accepted by professional mathematicians and taught in textbooks. Various proofs of this identity have been formulated with varying rigour, preferred development of the real numbers, background assumptions, historical context, and target audience." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.999 | | | | 7th degree Black Belt
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09-14-2007, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Verdy, verdy bad interpretation of my statement, MJA... If your one be true, explain scientifically how it splits into the many...
Lloyd | The proof of nature's equality or oneness is nature itself. Nature is one. Faith in science or measure is the flaw of difference, that divides or "splits". Study nature without measure for the ultimate truth. = MJA
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09-14-2007, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by N0B0DY I agree, Lloyd, but mathematicians don't agree with each other and I wanted to know if there is presently a leaning to one side or the other.
Some of the arguments are as follows:
"In mathematics, the recurring decimal 0.999… , denotes a real number equal to 1. In other words, "0.999…" represents the same number as the symbol "1". The equality has long been accepted by professional mathematicians and taught in textbooks. Various proofs of this identity have been formulated with varying rigour, preferred development of the real numbers, background assumptions, historical context, and target audience." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.999 | When I viewed the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.999 . The first and the whole paragraph really states exactly as what was quoted above.
However, the last paragraph (as a conclusion) in that web page states that "Number systems in which 0.999… is strictly less than 1 can be constructed, but only outside the standard real number system which is used in elementary mathematics."
Sorry to point out that the wikipedia page concludes that "0.999… is strictly less than 1 can be constructed (despite only outside standard real number system or outside elementary mathematics).
I also don't understand the following operations.
If 0.999... = 1 , then after exchanging the left & the right hand side, 1 = 0.999... .
When both side divided by 1, then it comes out 1/1 = 0.999.../1 , then the right hand side = 0.999... ,
however, normally, 1/1 or 2/2 or n/n all simply = 1, not 0.999... .
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09-14-2007, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MJA The proof of nature's equality or oneness is nature itself.
Nature is one.
Faith in science or measure is the flaw of difference, that divides or "splits".
Study nature without measure for the ultimate truth.
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MJA | MJA, your metaphysics belongs to the psychological laws of self, and physics belongs to the laws of science, and the two are only unitable under the physical laws of all___The ultimate truth system of multiple law systems.
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"Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
"The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
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