Perfection

[PassatAmnesiac]

Please don't flame me if you think this is lame. I know it isn't as complex as many topics discussed here; however I had gotten in an arguement with someone over this so I came here for second or possibly third opinions. I am having a problem with the concept of perfection. Some people say that nothing is perfect. My understanding is that concepts can be perfect, for instance in the case of measurement. 1 Liter of water is a perfect concept. But it seems to be impossible to have exactly 1 liter of water. There will always be decimal places because our tools used to measure are not perfect.
So if physical reality is never perfect doesn't it do a perfect job of being imperfect? Or is this a contradiction?

[mkirkpatrick]

PA,Good starter topic,why would anyone want to flare up on you my friend?
Perfection,is wholly complete,incapable of addition!Alas though that is not to
be found nearby,as I see it,all that is relative is imperfect,still evolving,and that which is eternal,in the everpresent now,is perfect and always has been,
and ofcourse always will be.Expressed in its simplist form,that which is evolving is imperfect,that which is absolute and eternal is perfect.


kind regards michael.

[HappytheStripper]

So if physical reality is never perfect doesn't it do a perfect job of being imperfect? Or is this a contradiction?

Hello PA

If you are here - it is a moment of enlightenment.. there are none more so lame... than those who are ignorant... I say this mostly as ignorance disables any movement whatsoever... and I see You... on a path of movement... towards enlightenment ...

I have been in many an argument... mostly related to science... and Your question is one asked by many... some in search of enlightenment... others wanting to WIN that bet... lol...

Firstly I want to look at the "WORD" perfection... it may be defined as lacking nothing essential to the whole... because it is complete within its own nature... therefore it is said to be "perfect"... without a blemish... It is neither deficient or sufficient... it is proficient... and suited for a particular purpose... or situation...

You are of physical reality... and consequently never perfect as... You strive to obtain answers... that are otherwise beyond reach... should You not seek... this is deficiency at its best...

You have entered TOEQUEST and I must say... CONGRATULATIONS... You made it this far... perhaps what You read will be sufficient to answer or respond to Your friend... and I trust You will become proficient in thought and conscious awareness...

Perfection is order and imperfection is disorder... have you read up on the chaos theory???... In order to find that which is disorder... as I seek to find perfection all I hit was a pile of bricks...

Rather contradictory eh ... what do you think???

[PassatAmnesiac]

Well I know that just based on quantum mechanics, as I understand it, is all probability which in itself is disorderly and small particales are what all physical reality is made up of. Can probability really be encompassed by perfection. This next thought may be touchy for some people but I could not help think this.
Some people think that their god is a perfect being and they believe that a God created us. So if this God is perfect, wouldn't physical reality be perfect as well if it was created by perfection? That would seem to say that probability is perfection.

[mkirkpatrick]

P A,you have made some interesting points,and rightly stated that a personal
God and being perfect,can indeed be a touchy subject,the way that I would look at this.is,to replace the word perfection,with relative,God indeed is perfect.and is also absolute,manifestation however is relative and is evolving.
It would seem that we came from perfection,entered into relativity to become self aware then to eventually return in full aware consciousness to
that perfect state again?


kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Passat,

Exactly! Everything si perfect because every-thing is imperfect. And thus, there can be no-thing which is perfect, thus because all definitions of god include perfection, then god doesn'te xist (or at least none of the conceptions of god is correct).

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Passat,

Exactly! Everything si perfect because every-thing is imperfect. And thus, there can be no-thing which is perfect, thus because all definitions of god include perfection, then god doesn'te xist (or at least none of the conceptions of god is correct).

Leibniz's was correct, Guille. His system of monads revealed the all in one of existence. Both good and evil are of the one, as Leibniz stated... I believe Nietzsche, the other philosopher you like, also stated as much in "Beyond Good and Evil", did he not? Even Spinoza may have come close, I can't quite remember...let me know...also Whitehead, I believe said as much...

You have friends out there, and here...lots of em...

regards

[subversion]

Please don't flame me if you think this is lame. I know it isn't as complex as many topics discussed here; however I had gotten in an arguement with someone over this so I came here for second or possibly third opinions. I am having a problem with the concept of perfection. Some people say that nothing is perfect.

Who says that? ANyway, everything itself is actually entirely perfect. So yes, perfection does exist. That thing which is perfect is everything. Nothing on the other hand does not exist, so whether or not it is perfect is an irrelevant question. For more irrelevant questions, see all other questions which pertain to the empty set (i.e. nothing), such as Russell's paradox. As far as this question goes though, everything is a perfect thing. Moreover, everything is THE perfect thing

[Guille]

Leibniz's was correct, Guille. His system of monads revealed the all in one of existence. Both good and evil are of the one, as Leibniz stated... I believe Nietzsche, the other philosopher you like, also stated as much in "Beyond Good and Evil", did he not? Even Spinoza may have come close, I can't quite remember...let me know...also Whitehead, I believe said as much...

You have friends out there, and here...lots of em...

regards

You know a lot of philosophy! Preciselly Nietzsche and Liebnitz are the two german philosophers which have influenced me most. There is also a lot of Deleuze and Jaspers (you talked about encompassing in an other thread), and Russell (the five make the pentagon which I am, philosophically speaking). I haven't read Spinoza, but he was one of the three main influencer in Deleuze (the other two were Nietzsche and Bergson).

[Mohan.C]

Well I know that just based on quantum mechanics, as I understand it, is all probability which in itself is disorderly and small particales are what all physical reality is made up of. Can probability really be encompassed by perfection. This next thought may be touchy for some people but I could not help think this.
Some people think that their god is a perfect being and they believe that a God created us. So if this God is perfect, wouldn't physical reality be perfect as well if it was created by perfection? That would seem to say that probability is perfection.

I don't rely on god but I do think physical reality is perfect bnut our understanding of it is not. We find paradoxes and we try to answer them.