[ZenClone]

What is Truth?

Whats true for one man/woman may not be true for another...

A statement of Reality is true if it doesn't contradict other statements concerning reality..

A belief is true if and only if one can act on it without upsetting one's expectations.

Truth in Nature - There is an element of truth in everything. Nature teaches, although it can sometimes be misleading...

Is truth where the problem is??

[harmonygirl]

ZC, truth also changes depending on what stage of life you are at. Sometimes the facts remain the same and the truth changes. I used to live in Ontario and our government decided to force a part of the county to sell its oil to the rest of the country at less than market prices (this was during the OPEC oil crisis of the late 70s). He was hailed as the saviour of the country, someone who prevented greed from destroying our world. Then I moved out west (to the prairies actually) and discoved that he was a traitor, who used federal powers to prevent the province from using natural resources they had every constitutional right to use. Interesting, huh? Truth was diametrically opposed at the same time and with the same facts!
I have struggled with the notion of whether there can be objective truth, objective right and wrong. No conclusions yet...
I am not sure how nature can be misleading...
I don't think that truth is where the problem is, I think that it illuminates the problem...

[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks Zenclone,I think this is about the forth thread regard truth,I have
started at least two myself!But as it is such an immense subject,I suppose
there is room for one more!
I see truth as two aspects,one relative and mundane,the other absolute
an super-mundane?
The relative truth is one that changes and evolves,absolute truth is absolute
and eternal,and is always "ever true"!

regards michael.

[ZenClone]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Thanks Zenclone,I think this is about the forth thread regard truth,I have started at least two myself!But as it is such an immense subject,I suppose there is room for one more! I see truth as two aspects,one relative and mundane,the other absolute an super-mundane? The relative truth is one that changes and evolves,absolute truth is absolute and eternal,and is always "ever true"! regards michael.

Sorry m8.. While I have gotten aquainted with these forums and have read many threads, I cannot be certain it hasn't been already done.

My apologies.

I was also thinking about Politics. How politicians "spin" the truth. And how can you decide which argument is true or not??

Truth, like many realities of the mind, become a matter of Perception.
Say I believe it to be True that Illegal Immigration is a problem, while another individual might believe its Not True. (as an example)


Because the Truth, at least in my mind, is that people are being fed many lies.
And a seeker of Truth, its my/our rersponsibility to discern.

Krishnamutri pointed out that in order to see truth, one cannot be fragmented, but must see the totality.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by ZenClone Sorry m8.. While I have gotten aquainted with these forums and have read many threads, I cannot be certain it hasn't been already done. My apologies. I was also thinking about Politics. How politicians "spin" the truth. And how can you decide which argument is true or not?? Truth, like many realities of the mind, become a matter of Perception. Say I believe it to be True that Illegal Immigration is a problem, while another individual might believe its Not True. (as an example) Because the Truth, at least in my mind, is that people are being fed many lies. And a seeker of Truth, its my/our rersponsibility to discern. Krishnamutri pointed out that in order to see truth, one cannot be fragmented, but must see the totality.

No worries my friend,btw,Krishnamutri,is agreat favorite of mine,a truly wise man indeed.
regards michael.

[Louis13]

Truth is something that is very debateable, truthat times can be proven and most of the time can not due to the fact that most things in this world that is wanted to be proven truthful happened so long ago that it can not be proven truth. But true is something totally different, something can be true but not necessarily truth. One can be true, and a tail can be true but not the truth. I say take the true, and if the truth cames along, then that is a bonus.

[Spaghetti Monster]

The old man turned off the radio
Said, "Where did all of the old songs go
Kids sure play funny music these days
They play it in the strangest ways"
Said, "it looks to me like they've all gone wild
It was peaceful back when I was a child"
Well, man, could it be that the girls and boys
Are trying to be heard above your noise?
And the lonely voice of youth cries "What is truth?"

A little boy of three sittin' on the floor
Looks up and says, "Daddy, what is war?"
"son, that's when people fight and die"
The little boy of three says "Daddy, why?"
A young man of seventeen in Sunday school
Being taught the golden rule
And by the time another year has gone around
It may be his turn to lay his life down
Can you blame the voice of youth for asking
"What is truth?"
A young man sittin' on the witness stand
The man with the book says "Raise your hand"
"Repeat after me, I solemnly swear"
The man looked down at his long hair
And although the young man solemnly swore
Nobody seems to hear anymore
And it didn't really matter if the truth was there
It was the cut of his clothes and the length of his hair
And the lonely voice of youth cries
"What is truth?"

The young girl dancing to the latest beat
Has found new ways to move her feet
The young man speaking in the city square
Is trying to tell somebody that he cares
Yeah, the ones that you're calling wild
Are going to be the leaders in a little while
This old world's wakin' to a new born day
And I solemnly swear that it'll be their way
You better help the voice of youth find
"What is Truth/"
-JC

[Graybeard]

Thats not Kristofferson ..... I know that Cat anywhere !

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by Louis13 One can be true, and a tail can be true but not the truth. I say take the true, and if the truth cames along, then that is a bonus.

a tail is always the truth in hence as it wags it always tells the truth and taking the tail in hand as it wags will teach you another truth .. don't stop a wagging tail.

~Peace!

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by ZenClone What is Truth? Whats true for one man/woman may not be true for another... A statement of Reality is true if it doesn't contradict other statements concerning reality.. A belief is true if and only if one can act on it without upsetting one's expectations. Truth in Nature - There is an element of truth in everything. Nature teaches, although it can sometimes be misleading... Is truth where the problem is??

I subscribe to the self investigation of truth. This is a process in me not denying ones free will to "see" as such some subscription of belief may curtail the will and the process varies from persona to persona in how the process is set up and to what degree of intensity the investigation process is done before it ends.

Why processes end have many reasons, excuses, and rationalizations but all endings have one thing in common. They end when the persona is satisfied to the degree of enlightenment given them.

Truth professed is a matter then of degree not absolute but possibly absolute and even occasionally absolute.

The ability of the persona to know truth on any given issue is therefor based on the ability to absorb the degree of the truth and this ability to absorb is quantifiable to who the persona is in the sense of what they are.

The persona will absorb truth to the degree they can do so by what makes them an individual and the rest does not get in.

What does not get in goes somewhere else in vectored manner of all projection.

Peace! You will enjoy this site! Graham.

So some get short changed.

This to me is a crime.