Any Clues from Mother Nature's Boundaries?

[austintorn@aol.com]

TOE Clues?

What can we make of nature’s occasional revelations that scientists make note of, but may go no further with. Are they telling us something remarkable about reality?


Planck length — What happens, if anything, inside the Plank distance? Is there another reality there?

Size — Is there a limit to how large or how small things can be?

Dreams — Why does the reality of night dreams match that of waking reality? Does this mean reality is projected?

Speed of Light — Why is it limited?

Eternal Substance — How come it is a specific particular thing that works, as opposed to something that didn’t? Whether it manifested from possibility or was always there, what decided its form? Is it like the quantum world suggests, the most probable of all possibilities?

No time like the present — Why does time seem to go so fast when we use the internet? And why does it seem to go so slow in grade school? I used to purposely not look at the clock for a long time in school so that it would have a chance to leap ahead, but it never did. But while on the internet I lit up a cigarette and it seemed to burn out in a matter of seconds.

Living Forever — Perhaps someday humans will live forever, barring fatal accidents. What would be the implications of that? DNA rips at the ends when it divides and replicates 50 times or so during our lives, limiting the damage to junk DNA until that is all gone and our good DNA deteriorates. It is not that simple to fix, but could we just add more junk at the ends and live forever? Not that we wouldn’t break something else by doing so, but suppose it worked eventually.

Everything connected — If everything is connected to everything, as suggested by quantum entanglement, is this a kind of “perception” that we can use?

[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks again Austin,indivisibility is one clue from mother natures box of expressions,
upon the backdrop of the infinite and the eternal,whether a thing is infinitely large or small
becomes irrelevent,totally irrelevent.



regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Austin, thanks for a few good questions.

TOE Clues?

What can we make of nature’s occasional revelations that scientists make note of, but may go no further with. Are they telling us something remarkable about reality?


Planck length — What happens, if anything, inside the Plank distance? Is there another reality there? [IMO, yes. Here's what I posted on Planet Bob's thread about the mechanics of Planck length, inside the electron. "Since we both agree it's a FS photonic universe, let the basic aether field be filled with stationary photons___size doesn't matter for this simple model. Now strip your mind of other wave interactions for simplicity's sake. Picture an electron traveling straight through the FS photon sea___any wave/particle traveling through such a sea must increase in mass as it approaches true c. Where does the mass increase come from? The electron must gain photons as mass increase___there's no other source. Velocity and density of the FS photon field require this. Velocity also creates heat. What is being heated, since the electron is also made of photons? The only possible answer is photons___simple logic. Now, what is truly happening inside the electron as it increases photon mass and heat? The electron is acting first as a condensor storage magnetic moment capacitor, then as a radiating generator of electricity moments. What is making up this process? Photons___plain and simple. This all is happening at the speed of light___mass is increasing creating the magnetic moment of the em wave, and then critical mass entropy is reached and the electron radiates/generates its electric moment. This is all photon on photin action, and is the same for all frequencies of light and waves. It's just faster for faster waves, such as gamma rays, and slower for micro-waves. They all must increase in mass proportional to true velocity. We just have trouble distinguishing between true c and sub-c velocities. Nature does it quite easily___just imagine how many entropy cycles in a gamma ray traveling only a short distance. The electron, we seem to know more about, thanks to Maxwell and others, is still frequencies of mass entropy cycles, and the attendent velocities, that create the varrying heats of photons contained and radiated as the heat of mass velocities. I can't imagine why you still think photons don't change temperature, when all is of photons...?"]

Size — Is there a limit to how large or how small things can be? [The most infinitesimal entity can be no smaller than the absolute fundamental substance, whatever that may be.]

Speed of Light — Why is it limited? [The aether matter density limits the speed of local c, as do gasses and liquids, and even ulexite. Increase the density of any substance light is passing through, and light must slow.]

Eternal Substance — How come it is a specific particular thing that works, as opposed to something that didn’t? Whether it manifested from possibility or was always there, what decided its form? Is it like the quantum world suggests, the most probable of all possibilities? [That's it. The highest probability, of the highest possibility, is the only possibility.]

No time like the present — Why does time seem to go so fast when we use the internet? And why does it seem to go so slow in grade school? I used to purposely not look at the clock for a long time in school so that it would have a chance to leap ahead, but it never did. But while on the internet I lit up a cigarette and it seemed to burn out in a matter of seconds. [Oh, how time flys, when you're enjoying yourself.]

Living Forever — Perhaps someday humans will live forever, barring fatal accidents. What would be the implications of that? DNA rips at the ends when it divides and replicates 50 times or so during our lives, limiting the damage to junk DNA until that is all gone and our good DNA deteriorates. It is not that simple to fix, but could we just add more junk at the ends and live forever? Not that we wouldn’t break something else by doing so, but suppose it worked eventually. [RNAi is just around the corner, to solve the very problems you speak.]

Everything connected — If everything is connected to everything, as suggested by quantum entanglement, is this a kind of “perception” that we can use?

IMO, once enough people can get all this over-complexity out of their systems, we can concentrate on designing simple systems, to solve all our planet's problems, simply.

Lloyd

[G_burnett]

Hi there, very good questions.

"What can we make of nature’s occasional revelations that scientists make note of, but may go no further with. Are they telling us something remarkable about reality?"Unquote.

If they made it that simple they would be out of a job.


"Planck length — What happens, if anything, inside the Plank distance? Is there another reality there?"Unquote.

Relative to what reality?

"Size — Is there a limit to how large or how small things can be?"Unquote.

Relative to what, may be the real quest ion.

"Dreams — Why does the reality of night dreams match that of waking reality? Does this mean reality is projected?" Unquote.

Yes but try to prove it to someone other then yourself.

"Speed of Light — Why is it limited?" Unquote

Who told you that garbage?

"Eternal Substance — How come it is a specific particular thing that works, as opposed to something that didn’t? Whether it manifested from possibility or was always there, what decided its form? Is it like the quantum world suggests, the most probable of all possibilities?" Unquote.

I have a rocks picked up on the ocean shore and the rock forms shows a picture of our own perception of existence ... one a human being with a dog in his arms, maybe a sheep and over the head of the animal a clear hand with fingers in a blessing. the mans head looking up and with a halo seems to be looking at the white crystal dots on a dark black background as we might look to the stars. ... i do not think then that we are the most probable of all possibilities as the rock was formed millions of years be for man and may have just been a notation sketch book thingy of a higher force ... paradox indeed.

"No time like the present — Why does time seem to go so fast when we use the internet? And why does it seem to go so slow in grade school? I used to purposely not look at the clock for a long time in school so that it would have a chance to leap ahead, but it never did. But while on the internet I lit up a cigarette and it seemed to burn out in a matter of seconds." Unquote.

The relativity of time is paradox to the sentient persona trying to look at the watch, the human piece of thingy we created to measure the space between tax returns, ignore it.

"Living Forever — Perhaps someday humans will live forever, barring fatal accidents. What would be the implications of that? DNA rips at the ends when it divides and replicates 50 times or so during our lives, limiting the damage to junk DNA until that is all gone and our good DNA deteriorates. It is not that simple to fix, but could we just add more junk at the ends and live forever? Not that we wouldn’t break something else by doing so, but suppose it worked eventually." unquote

It is to my understanding that we only replicate 3 times but have the capability to do so 50. An elephant has the capability to do it 300 times. The simple fix is.

"Everything connected — If everything is connected to everything, as suggested by quantum entanglement, is this a kind of “perception” that we can use?[/QUOTE]" unquote

Depends if you are a word thinker scribbling dots in varied organization to some inner preference or learned rote or if you see pictures.

Peace! ~ Graham.

[labelwench]

......some interesting comments posted here.

Is there a limit to size, either large or small? We are continuing to observe life of smaller and smaller scale as we improve our ability to observe with the aid of technology. How small? My guess is that we aren't there by a wide measure, as yet.

On the upper end of the scale, we will soon be in the middle of observing the impacts of a species that is expanding beyond the carrying capacity of it's habitat. How large can something become? Depends on the available space and resources, the adaptability of the organism.

A discussion of the non-organic may afford considerably broader parameters.

....just my random thoughts....

Labelwench

[austintorn@aol.com]

Get too large and I suppose a black hole happens. I will have to stop eating so much ice cream.

The planck length seems to be the smallest, so, I guess that is at least an absolute.

Infinity and forever, well, those mean that we can never get there. It is something that cannot, by definition, ever be completed. That's why I wonder about how actual stuff could have existed "forever", not to mention how it got defined without ever having been defined in the first place, for there was no first place.

The speed of light seems to have to do with how fast a photon can be thrown off of an atom. If our universe had different base material, then the speed of light would be different.

Is there a speed limit on the autobahn? No.

Is there a limit to the stuff we can just make up out of the blue? It seems not.

Is there a limit to how many wives TimeParticle can have? Yes, while all love is precious and boundless, there are time limits for applying it.

[AntonioLao]

A theory of quantized spacetime suggests that existence requires at most 8 directional invariance properties. Anything more than that excess mass start to accumulate. Anything less than that is physical non-existence but spiritual existence since spirits lack direction.

[G_burnett]

we would stop eating ice cream on the Planck because it would all seem the same and we could not distinguish the flavors.

spirits have direction, to stay in motion or not dependent on there nature o function, eg good or bad.

timeparticals limit to the number of wives he will have will be determined by the cost of his children, a simple formula.

new animation models point to the vortex in creation as posted to Vincent today the article link, and debunking planetary creation mindsets.

quote labelwench "...On the upper end of the scale, we will soon be in the middle of observing the impacts of a species that is expanding beyond the carrying capacity of it's habitat. How large can something become? ..." unquote

in the meaning of life where motion must be maintained the object, we will continue to grow till as in cloning we lose .. for some sooner then later.

IMHO kind regards g.

[Mohan.C]

TOE Clues?

What can we make of nature’s occasional revelations that scientists make note of, but may go no further with. Are they telling us something remarkable about reality?


Planck length — What happens, if anything, inside the Plank distance? Is there another reality there?

The real things look so seemingly different when we stand on a desk or imagine it in the size of an ant. Then, at Planck length, no doubt things will look different, that is at Planck if there is light. Otherwise it will be a dark reality. Who knows, may be we will look at the same old things and think we are seeing different things.

Size — Is there a limit to how large or how small things can be?

Not unless they start to knock planets and stars out of the way.

Dreams — Why does the reality of night dreams match that of waking reality? Does this mean reality is projected?

Because dreams are a jumbled version of reality. May be now we may imagine a paramecium talking to us in our dreams. We can imagine that because we have seen paramecium through a microscope or in a picture. If someone had seen it hundreds of years ago( which is not possible ) in their dreams, they would have thought it is god, nameless and formless.

Speed of Light — Why is it limited?

Because light is supposed to take the shortest distance possible in the space time. Unless, it travels through a wormhole.

Eternal Substance — How come it is a specific particular thing that works, as opposed to something that didn’t? Whether it manifested from possibility or was always there, what decided its form? Is it like the quantum world suggests, the most probable of all possibilities?

probably, yeah!!

No time like the present — Why does time seem to go so fast when we use the internet? And why does it seem to go so slow in grade school? I used to purposely not look at the clock for a long time in school so that it would have a chance to leap ahead, but it never did. But while on the internet I lit up a cigarette and it seemed to burn out in a matter of seconds.

Apparently Einstein once said when asked how he would explain relativity, that if you were staring at a beautiful girl an hour would pass quickly, but if you were made to sit on a burning stove, it would feel like eternity. It's perception, time passes quickly when we are doing the things we like, because we are absorbed in the thought of the work, and not of time. But, if we don't want to do something, we will always be conscious of how slow time runs.

Living Forever — Perhaps someday humans will live forever, barring fatal accidents. What would be the implications of that? DNA rips at the ends when it divides and replicates 50 times or so during our lives, limiting the damage to junk DNA until that is all gone and our good DNA deteriorates. It is not that simple to fix, but could we just add more junk at the ends and live forever? Not that we wouldn’t break something else by doing so, but suppose it worked eventually.

Then people will live forever, but, there would be no more space to live. And no food for them to eat, no water to drink, then they would all die, and they wouldn't have lived forever!

Everything connected — If everything is connected to everything, as suggested by quantum entanglement, is this a kind of “perception” that we can use?

Yeah, certainly, but that preception is created by matter interacting with light. And also, the interactions between matter and matter interacting with light, and the interaction between that interactions and other ineractions interacting with light and so on.

[austintorn@aol.com]

It seems to me now that the planck length, mass, and time would be absolute units.

We could then use these to communicate our height, weight, and age to someone in another galaxy.

So, this planck boundary of Mother Nature is something fixed that we or anyone anywhere could rely on.

(c, G, and h are also absolute, so we'd use those, too.)