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    Smile Just how free is will?

    Thought that a thread on free will would invoke some interesting replies.so here it is!

    Just how "free" is our will? Are we not conditioned by our past?Are we not the result of
    pevious choices,and therefore pre-determined to opt for certain avenues of choice.

    Have we really got a totally free hand to do as we will?

    any comments would bemost welcomed.



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    Smile Re: Just how free is will?

    This I that does the choosing in our lives,where is its true home?How are my will and say
    conscience linked-if at all.Am I really free to choose and do as I like?Am I not pre-programed by past actions and events?



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    Re: Just how free is will?

    Free will is the reaction on available options.
    If a person is open-minded, that person can observe and feel and make ready for more options.
    Re-think encourages the free will and the rational choice.

    Best Regards. Bottomlander

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    Smile Re: Just how free is will?

    Quote Originally Posted by bottomlander View Post
    Free will is the reaction on available options.
    If a person is open-minded, that person can observe and feel and make ready for more options.
    Re-think encourages the free will and the rational choice.

    Best Regards. Bottomlander
    I tend to agree with that perception bottomlander,however if then a person is closed
    minded,they would seem to have a much more limited choice.



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    Smile Re: Just how free is will?

    Is there a catch to free will? I well remember the first time I heard the adage "there's no
    such thing as a free lunch" it implied that there is a cost,a price,to everthing,nothing is
    entirely free! It just seems that at time the true cost is somehow blurred from our vision.



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    Smile Re: Just how free is will?

    Free will thread seems to be neglected,prehaps I should start charging for it? Then maybe
    more will post here!



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    Re: Just how free is will?

    Free-will of/from what? Of thought,word, and deed? These are only the effects of reflection,reaction and resound! Our mind is conditioned by imagination and time i.e, memories/experiences of past and and apprehensions of future, and the intellect is the outcome of natural laws (knowledge)! Only wisdom is free, but wisdom is never individual! It is always cosmic/universal in nature. Then what is it that is really called or defined as 'FREE-WILL"? Needs a lot of inner digression and outer (worldly) knowledge! love & regards.ls.

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    Smile Re: Just how free is will?

    Quote Originally Posted by r.p.bibra View Post
    Free-will of/from what? Of thought,word, and deed? These are only the effects of reflection,reaction and resound! Our mind is conditioned by imagination and time i.e, memories/experiences of past and and apprehensions of future, and the intellect is the outcome of natural laws (knowledge)! Only wisdom is free, but wisdom is never individual! It is always cosmic/universal in nature. Then what is it that is really called or defined as 'FREE-WILL"? Needs a lot of inner digression and outer (worldly) knowledge! love & regards.ls.

    I agree brother wisdom is universal,and not personal.What then is this "will" that is
    free?



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    Cool Re: Just how free is will?

    I beleive tests that indicate neuronal activity in brain (thought) before subject has made conscious decision are flawed.

    The flaw lies in not monitoring the heart rate/intensity of beat that actually produces this activity in brain.

    Our intellect then interprets that feeling (emotion) and decides on response. (of course this is all done at lightning speed)

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    Smile Re: Just how free is will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tina View Post
    I beleive tests that indicate neuronal activity in brain (thought) before subject has made conscious decision are flawed.

    The flaw lies in not monitoring the heart rate/intensity of beat that actually produces this activity in brain.

    Our intellect then interprets that feeling (emotion) and decides on response. (of course this is all done at lightning speed)

    Thanks Tina,do you think we have completely free will,or is it conditioned by our upbringing,place of birth,karmatic influences,etc.



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