Some history of Western philosophy

[David Maes]

Real philosophers always keep asking questions...

Who are we?

I know who I am. I am David Maes of course. But who is that? I don't exactly know.

It's not fair that we can't chose our own appearance. We're just born with it. We can chose our friends but we can't chose ourselves. We even didn't chose to be human. But what is human?


Where does the world come from?

I have no idea. Yet the question is still justified.

Earth is but a small planet in the great universe. But where does the universe come from?

OK, we can just say the universe has always been there. But is that possible, that something always exists? There must be some beginning. So we can say that the universe started from something else. And that something else started from another something else. But eventually something ever must have started to exist from nothing at all? But is that possible? Isn't that just as impossible as the thought that the world has always been there?

So we say God created the world. But what about God himself? Did he create himself out of nothing? It's sure God can create lots of things, but wouldn't it be difficult for him to create himself?

So the solution is: God has always been there. But doesn't everything need a beginning?

Damn. I don't understand.

This is a big puzzle of the universe.

[austintorn@aol.com]

So we can say that the universe started from something else

I am Austin, and yes, I was thrust into the world without being asked. While we can look for answers, our existence precedes the inquiry of essence, in importance, for here is life and so it must be dealt with.

The cause of the Universe was itself causeless, and, as such had no definition, for there iswas no beginning point way back in forever for it to have been defined.

Sure enough, we see in the quantum realm that there is no order, just random happenings, some of which became real and went on from there.

So, that is why we just appeared, without notice, after 14 billions years.

A regress of an infinite causes can't work, nor anything from Nothing. Thus, the causeless state of total confusion. It's that 'something', a mess of chaos potential, was/is the normal state, not Nothing.

So, relax and enjoy all of this free lunch, except on ToeQuest, where we figure all things out, just for fun.

[Unreal Zelta]

If the fundamental questions are answered, the world would end in anarchy.

If the existence of god is proved, then the scientific community will collapse, and half of the university/high school courses will be made redundant. The same logic applies to many if not all of the other 'mysteries'.

regards

Zelta

[austintorn@aol.com]

I think the world would eventually get used to the truth, although the round earth thing and it not being the center of everything took some great time to settle in. Same, too, with not smoking near people—it only inched back, decade by decade.

(Pssst. Better not tell anyone that I totally disproved God the Theity, God the Deity, and the supernatural in the 'Science vs. God' thread. It's in the last 20 pages or so of it and it is still going, there being probably 25 proofs in all, an overkill. No one even refuted one so far, nor offered any proofs of God, but said that there must be a fingerprint that is not a natural one, but… we are looking everywhere and all is the same as if there were no God.)

[labelwench]

Science or Religion?

The dynamic tension between same maintains a tenuous balance, which, if skewed, could bring about serious consequence.

Competing scientific theory, and likewise in theology.

Perhaps the outcome shall be decided by a coin toss....

"My money's on the chestnut mare......"

Labelwench

[Unreal Zelta]

I certainly hope that human arrogance does not prevent one from accepting truths as they unravel -if they unravel.

regards

Zelta

[greenbug]

I almost feel as if we wouldn't know an answer if it slapped us in the face. As for who you are, asking who you are states that you are in denial. As to why we are here should it be answered by any one? In a realm of possibilities why would one be enough?

When I was fourteen I almost killed myself. My mother pinned me down and said "Who are you giving up on, your self or God?" I wasn't giving up on any one but myself. I never considered that I would be giving up on others. So to this day that is my drive, my life force and will. If others fail I fail, only in them do I succeed.

My life means nothing, it is not my world, I can not control it, it is not what I think it should be. I never asked to be born, have conscience, or to be apart of this. So it belongs to others and I'm just along for the ride, the most, the best I can hope for is experience. Whether I truly have a soul or if there is a promise of life eternal, I could only expect the worst and hope for the best.

I think we should accept diversity, but should we rely on any one idea or all the ideas we ever thought of or accepted? No just diversity as we can, as we like. That will help us to see, to prosper. Even the concept of a God. Perhaps there is no God but imagining one might help us figure out things we wouldn't have other wise. Who says that perspective is needed? Well we are headed into a future where we maybe the creators one day, how should we proceed?

[labelwench]

Originally posted by David Maes

So the solution is: God has always been there. But doesn't everything need a beginning?

Damn. I don't understand.

This is a big puzzle of the universe.

Infinity. Eternity.

How is it that we have created words in our language, to which we have assigned meanings, the context of which we blithely explain, but do not come close to understanding?

If a five year old child should address an audience on topics
too mature for their age, we would perhaps not afford them the credibility of an elder of venerated years and experience.

Interesting that most children have a better understanding of beginning without end and forever than do most adults.

They have not yet become cynical.

When we can once again see, as if with the eyes of a child, we shall be standing on the bridge across forever.

Abstract and reality are not irreconcilable except that we make them so.

[Mikal]

I think the world would eventually get used to the truth, although the round earth thing and it not being the center of everything took some great time to settle in. Same, too, with not smoking near people—it only inched back, decade by decade.

(Pssst. Better not tell anyone that I totally disproved God the Theity, God the Deity, and the supernatural in the 'Science vs. God' thread. It's in the last 20 pages or so of it and it is still going, there being probably 25 proofs in all, an overkill. No one even refuted one so far, nor offered any proofs of God, but said that there must be a fingerprint that is not a natural one, but… we are looking everywhere and all is the same as if there were no God.)

<(*) (*)>.....you should not have whispered Austie...not with Agent Peepers in the vicinity.....lol....

If you guys think that Austin disproved God, well I got a bridge that I can sell you...yeh! I got the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge...I'll sell it to you dirt cheap...

God is a philosophical and theological concept which has never been disproved or proved and probably never will. However, if you look at the magnificense of the Universe, the intelligence in Nature, the power of love and the mystery inherent within the sheer creation of life you may just decide to live comfortably with the unknown.

GB ask about us as the future creators! Well since the God debate has started full throttle the goings on in this world have went from sane to insane. Maybe we need a God, for history tells us that when we begin to think we are God...the power is too great, there is not the intelligence to contain the power. Mankind dies ceaselessly on an unjust battlefield....man for himself fears not to step over the least of us...human decency dies!!!


Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

"Pssst", said the bee, "I'll meet you at the rose." No wait, wrong 'pssst'.

Pssst, one must talk to the science involved rather than selling a bridge. I surely proved it.