Special Theory of Relativity

[Bob Campbell]

Hi Bob:

What I had in mind was Einstein's application of Lorentz Transformations to matter itself.
Does that contraction parallel Doppler effect and indicate that matter is in a continuous state of expansion?

RP

Hi RP,

Sorry to be slow getting back to you about red shifts and Lorentz transformations. Red shifts do not need to be related to Lorentz Transformations at all. For example in nearby spiral galaxies that we see edge on one side is red shifted and the other side is blue shifted, while the central portion is not shifted. So in this case the Lorentz transformations clearly do not apply, since the relative angular motion of the whole galaxy should result in a red shift if its time frame is dilated. The blue shift results because that edge is moving toward us and the relative frequency of the light is compressed accordingly. The opposite happens on the other edge that is moving away from us. The frequency of the light becomes more distended or drawn out. There is really not a clear explanation for this in a continuous universe. In a discontinuous universe all motion is a series of quantum jumps in position from frame to frame and space itself is defined by light so relative motions require a relative skipping of space frames which shifts the frequency of light. It also accounts much more directly for the Lorentz Transformations, as shown in “Gravity and the Void: Tip of a Toe Iceberg.”

At very high relative velocities the whole object should be red shifted since its whole relative time frame is distended or slowed down according to the Lorentz transformations. This is presumed to be the case with distant galaxies. There are anomalies however between different derivations of the Lorentz transformations, including Einstein’s derivation.
There is a fair general description of various manifestations of red shift on the Wikepedia.

Also I have posted a new article “Unified Theories, Fantasy & Cosmic Order” on my website at www.cosmic-mindreach.com that may interest you, since it indicates that light is essentially matter in reflux.

The Lorentz transformations cannot apply to expanding dimensions of matter itself in an expanding universe or no expansion could be observed. If matter is shrinking relative to a presumed spacetime continuum that is expanding then the Lorentz contractions can not apply to matter either since they are derived from considerations of relative space-time motions. These motions on a cosmic scale are very complex.

Best regards,
Bob

[RascalPuff]

Very generous sharing of information, Bob.

A lot to ruminate.

Sincere thanks for your thoughtful response.

Best regards,
- RP

[Bob Campbell]

Hi RP,


Here are some additional thoughts to consider regarding red shift and blue shift.


In a discontinuous universe there is a ready explanation because space is defined by the distance light can travel in a single space frame relative to each atom, and time is defined by the synchronous projection of successive discrete frames of all atoms everywhere in the universe at once.


If we then consider that a star is moving toward us it is doing so in quantum jumps in position relative to us. This involves relative skipping of synchronous space frames in our stationary frame of reference relative to the approaching object. This obviously must compress the frequency of the light toward the blue end of the spectrum because the same pattern of spectral lines is seen in fewer of our reference space frames. The frequency of the light thus appears more compressed and the wavelengths shorter.


If the star is moving away from us in quantum jumps relative to us, then the light has to travel farther with each jump or skipped space frame in our stationary frame of reference. This makes the wavelength appear proportionally longer and the relative frequency of the pattern of spectral lines is shifted toward the red end where frequency is less.


If the star is moving laterally there are no relative skipped space frames in our reference frame relative to the star, not in the direction that the light is moving toward us, since this distance is relatively constant. This remains so even though there is still a small relative time dilation between the star and us.


If we assume with general relativity that there is such a thing as a spacetime continuum that is infinitely divisible then one is hard pressed for a clear conceptual reason why the light should be red or blue shifted at all. It must be travelling at a constant speed irrespective of relative velocity and if the velocity is continuous the light should come to us continuously without a significant shift in frequency or wavelength.


This dilemma is similar to Zeno’s paradox. If the arrow goes half way to the target in half the time, then half the remaining distance in half the remaining time, and so on, then logically the arrow never quite gets to the target.


Zeno’s paradox assumes that space and time are infinitely divisible. But if space is defined by light in discrete increments relative to each atomic space frame, and if the arrow continues to make constant discrete quantum jumps in position relative to the stationary target consistent with its inertial velocity, then the arrow must hit the target on time. Then there is no paradox.


Hope this might help you to sort it out conceptually.

Best wishes,
Bob

[everymansmedium]

Hello Azhar:
I have tried many times to get a complete copy of your document. The links to this document are looped so as to bring you back to the first page in this thread. The document itself is not available except for the first page that is at the beginning of this thread. I even did a search in Pakistan for your school and could still not find your documents. I did however find much other information from other people at a number of schools there. This made my effort more than just worthwhile. I learned much from your local. Please have Robert find the problem in the links to your document.
Thank you,
John.

[everymansmedium]

Hello friends:
Just a bit for clarification, and a few questions at the end.

About spectroscopy and the character of light itself. The absorption lines and the harmonic or (brighter lines) that are generated by the effect of the materials that are present in the star itself, are the result of atomic level of harmonic frequencies. An element has a specific harmonic frequency and an absorption frequency. It absorbs energy at one frequency and doubles the energy in another. The amount of energy absorbed at the absorption point is equal to the amount of energy that is doubled at the harmonic point. It is this phenomena that is used to create our atomic clocks. The elements that show up in the lower part of the spectrum, like cesium, can be reached by our microwave generators. This makes it possible to use the stability of this element as the basis of a clock frequency. Each (color temperature frequency) is a specific (kind?- property of?) light. If you consider light as an electromagnetic wave this complexity can be understood. However when you attempt to relate light to a particle, it must simply be the smallest quantum bit. But is it a wave or is it a particle, I do not think we have that answer.

If we consider both time and space to be also quantified. Then we can see that the minimum size of the quanta of each can set the limit for the speed of light. The smallest time quanta times the smallest space quanta = C

We could imagine an experiment, instead of using the element lines, we send 2 laser beams of different color temperature through a spinning fan blade in opposite directions through the same fan. Note, even if the fan blade changes, both lasers will be effected equally. Now mount the entire device on a disk or wheel that can be rotated. When you observe the laser beams from the edge of the disk or wheel the pulses that you receive will show different timing between one CT (colortemp) and the other. This difference will increase and decrease depending on the speed of rotation. This is simply Doppler effect.

This is the same effect that is seen from one side of a rotating galaxy to the other.

The thought is that the shift toward the red spectrum that is seen on objects that are at a great distance is relative to the expansion of space itself, resulting in the object moving away from us at speeds great enough to see changes in the color temperature. A spinning fan blade is very slow and it does not require much change in speed to see a percentile difference, however the speed of the harmonic frequency of the elements that we are using to determine this phenomena are extremely high and require a much higher rate of speed before a percentile of difference can be detected.

The Doppler effect is not in question. However the reason for what is seen as the red shift is up for debate.

My question: Has there ever been a galaxy that is at the farthest reaches of our universe ever become no longer detectable? Do they remain the same as they have always been seen without any detectable change in there distance?
What these questions are asking is, Is this distance an infinitely finite distance? Like thinking about a maximum quantum of space and a maximum quantum of time to get there at the maximum speed determined by the size of the quanta.
John.