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12-04-2005, 12:15 PM
michellemfry suggested this poll so should receive the credit. Also see the companion poll, Where are the other universes.
This question could be a little ambiguous so if you need to explain your selection, please add your comment to this thread. If you select multiple universes, are they overlapping, separated by a void, rolled up within our own, etc. Please explain the nature of the other universes and where they exist. "I'm going on a TOE Quest!" | |
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12-04-2005, 01:12 PM
Only a being such as Star Trek's "Q" could answer this question; however I would suspect no less than two and no more than many. Infinite cannot be attained by physical entities. All physical entities are finite. Since many includes all numbers greater than 1, I chose "many", but not occupying the same location of the void. David | |
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12-04-2005, 01:31 PM
At least 3: the first is of matter and time that goes forward
the second is of anti-matter and time that goes backward
the third is of tachyons
They do not occupy the same space at the same time. They are separated by time only. | |
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12-04-2005, 02:43 PM
I voted two universes but actually I didn't really exactly mean that. The problem is that you didn't allow us to choose more than one option. My real opinion is that there are two different parallel universe, one is this one, one is the other one to which the black holes take, from which the whiteholes come, where entropy decreases, time goes back, it contracts, the proportions of matter anti-matter are opposite. But there are actually infinite universes for each, where the difference is just one action. Really they ar enot infinite, they are hundreds of millions of billions of trillions... But not infinite. | |
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12-05-2005, 08:33 PM
Guille, how can time go backwards? This means that things living there would grow younger everyday. If this happened, then there would have to be a start from which all things went backwards... do you mean the BB? And how did things get there in the first place if time was going in reverse, it doesnt seem feasible in my view. How can there be two seperate universes? You mentioned black holes and white holes. Why do they have to 'deposit' matter in a so-called parallel universe?, why cant they just deposit it in the same universe at a different place? Also, you say that there would be the opposite of matter and antimatter but this is in contrast to the black hole... if the white holes deposited matter in the other universe, then it would be expanding, not contracting. Also, if there is more than one universe, where is the boundary between them? What, if anything, is it made of? a k si Time is a tricky concept and can boggle an untrained mind...
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12-05-2005, 11:59 PM
I choose one but it anyway includes infinite number of any credibilities. | |
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12-06-2005, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SimpleKid18 Guille, how can time go backwards? This means that things living there would grow younger everyday. If this happened, then there would have to be a start from which all things went backwards... do you mean the BB? And how did things get there in the first place if time was going in reverse, it doesnt seem feasible in my view. How can there be two seperate universes? You mentioned black holes and white holes. Why do they have to 'deposit' matter in a so-called parallel universe?, why cant they just deposit it in the same universe at a different place? Also, you say that there would be the opposite of matter and antimatter but this is in contrast to the black hole... if the white holes deposited matter in the other universe, then it would be expanding, not contracting. Also, if there is more than one universe, where is the boundary between them? What, if anything, is it made of? a k si | This is from our point of view. First, I remember you that the parallel universe is different, so it doesn't have the same stars, galaxies, planets or much less has human beings. And anyway, you are looking at it form the poitn of view of THIS universe: there, they woudl be born and woudl die at the end. Time isn't really going backwards, it's going opposite to us. In the universal sense: first it contracts, then it expands. Ours firts is expanding, and will contract. I said time going backwards so that we got the idea: compared to this one, it's backwards, but it won't be backwards, it will be forward there. So that universe is always in proportion to our size, and both get big and smal, biga nd small, like our lunges. How can there be two separate universe? Well, I think it's quite simple: just like there can be two separate humans like you and me. Now, I must remember you that whiteholes deposit matter here, and get's it from there. The black holes get's matter from here, and depostie them there. They are the same thing, just in the other half. The matter black hole absorb isn't deposit by white holes here because where would they be connected? I mean, how on earth would two disconnected things interchange matter? It's impossible because matter has to physically exist and move in space-time, not just by magic, or whatever othe reason you give to it. But the blakc hole singularity is the same singularity that starts the white hole at the other sid,e this is why the matter cna move throuh there. Now, it's seems you don't understand the basic principle of expansion: it is spacetime that expands and contracts, not matter. Lets see. There is more matter that goes the other universe to this one, because it is smaller, exactly inverselly proportionally to this one, so the matter is nearer to the black holes, so it's easier for black holes to absorb the matter. That is why this one ahs more matter. Actually, the matter they absorb in the other universe is anti.-amtte,r but by falling into it and going into our universe, it changes of charge. And the matter here is anti-matter there. Now, there is nothing outside the universe, all of what exists is then universes and the black holes whtie holes. You see, these brake the fabri cof space time, and have a connection all the way form oen side to the other. That is the connection. I've answered now all your answers. So, now I ask: why isn't there another universe apart frm this one? It is clear that we can't describe nature by this universe, we've already ocma long problems such as BB, antimatter-matter proportions, expansion of the universe, entropy and direction of time.... And all these are explained by the two universe theory. | |
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12-06-2005, 12:58 PM
. So that universe is always in proportion to our size, and both get big and smal, biga nd small, like our lunges. How can there be two separate universe? Well, I think it's quite simple: just like there can be two separate humans like you and me. Now, I must remember you that whiteholes deposit matter here, and get's it from there. The black holes get's matter from here, and depostie them there. They are the same thing, just in the other half. The matter black hole absorb isn't deposit by white holes here because where would they be connected? I mean, how on earth would two disconnected things interchange matter? It's impossible because matter has to physically exist and move in space-time, not just by magic, or whatever othe reason you give to it. But the blakc hole singularity is the same singularity that starts the white hole at the other sid,e this is why the matter cna move throuh there. Now, it's seems you don't understand the basic principle of expansion: it is spacetime that expands and contracts, not matter. Lets see. There is more matter that goes the other universe to this one, because it is smaller, exactly inverselly proportionally to this one, so the matter is nearer to the black holes, so it's easier for black holes to absorb the matter. That is why this one ahs more matter. Actually, the matter they absorb in the other universe is anti.-amtte,r but by falling into it and going into our universe, it changes of charge. And the matter here is anti-matter there. Now, there is nothing outside the universe, all of what exists is then universes and the black holes whtie holes. You see, these brake the fabri cof space time, and have a connection all the way form oen side to the other. That is the connection. I've answered now all your answers. So, now I ask: why isn't there another universe apart frm this one? It is clear that we can't describe nature by this universe, we've already ocma long problems such as BB, antimatter-matter proportions, expansion of the universe, entropy and direction of time.... And all these are explained by the two universe theory.[/quote]
If time is the opposite to what it is in our universe, then it MUST be backwards and things would move in reverse there- but, how can things move in reverse if there is no starting point? Or is there? If your theory is correct, then there must have been something at the start of the BB that separated these two universes. K es? How do you know that whiteholes exist? It is supposed to be the opposite of a black hole but i must remind you that there is absolutly NO proof of their existence, purely theoretical. Time is a tricky concept and can boggle an untrained mind... | |
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12-06-2005, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleKid18 If time is the opposite to what it is in our universe, then it MUST be backwards and things would move in reverse there- but, how can things move in reverse if there is no starting point? Or is there? If your theory is correct, then there must have been something at the start of the BB that separated these two universes. K es? How do you know that whiteholes exist? It is supposed to be the opposite of a black hole but i must remind you that there is absolutly NO proof of their existence, purely theoretical. | It is not backwards, it jsut goes the other way round. I know how strange it looks, and appears to be the same as backwards, but not really. They don't move backwards, the time is just oppositelly directed, but they move forward, they get older...etz. What impplies the direction of time is entropy, and this one is determined by the universe. As this one is expanding, and the other one is contracting, then the entropy is doing the opposite thing, therefore the time is the opposite direction. But it's not backwards, it just contracts. When our universe stops expnadng and starts contracting, the entropy will be the opposite and thus our time will be opposite to now, but we wont' be going backwards. One thing is the direction of time universal, and the othe rvery different thing is the time axis of each of us in relation to the universal axis.
When you say starting poitn, do you mean the BB? Now, you make far too many questions for how much I've developed my theory. I'm 15, I can't dedicate all my time to this, if I could, I would be very happy, but I can't, in fact, most of the time I have to develop theories is whiles I'm posting, I develop them throughout it. Now, I have two candidates: or the two universes started from the same BB, or there was one for each other, at the same time. What caused the difference, in any case, would be something that made one more antimatterial and one more matterial (string theorists still don't know what provoked that there was more matter in this universe than anti-matter). And one grows when the other one contracts because of another something (I'm sure it is the same thing that made the proportions of matter-antimatter opposite). I'm still to discover/derive this. But at least see how good is my theory: string theorists invent dark matter, dark energy, membranes, closed and open strings, calabi-yau spaces.... And stil they neither solve sr+gr to qm problem, or explain the arrow of time, or proof there is onyl thi suniverse, or say how it is shaped, or say how it started, or say the proportions matter-antimatter, or any good thing... They just add and add problems. Some few things are good from the theory, but it's completelly wrong as a whole idea. And I, without the need of maths or any stupid inventions like theirs, have solved several of the msot improtant present questions in cosmology. Just whiteholes. I cannto proof them because it happens that I can't simply get the Hubble telescope for me. But there ahve been observations which proof that suddenly masses come into our universe andappear from the nowhere. And it is also common sense (not like string theory): thing that have a shape in a place, have the opposite in the opposite place. Black holes here, whiteholes there, whiteholes here, blackholes there. And the simple neglection of whiteholes is just like in the mid-20th century when many said blackholes where stupid ideas, and very soon came Hawking and others, and nobody doubts of their existence. | |
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12-06-2005, 08:33 PM
I wonder if there exists nothing and anti-nothing. Anti-nothing would be the mirrored image of nothing. Perhaps it was anti-nothing that is the origin of the universe(s). This anti-nothing would be everything except nothing. Motion, matter, existence, time, etc. We are biased, we are anti-nothing. | |
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