[David Maes]

Consciousness is in the brain (neural circuits).

I'm thinking about this because of the following...

If you should want to model a state of a virus only during 50 billionsth of a second, between the atoms of a drop of salt water and the million atoms of the virus itself; with a desktopcomputer, then it would already take you around 35 years to get the model.

And I'm not talking about the brain, I'm just talking about this very tiny little virus.

This is a bit far-fetched, but I think consciousness is just made from neural circuits.

Alas (or maybe fortunately) we won't get an answer quickly on the question what the neural equivalents of consciousness are. However the fact that this purpose is attainable, seems to be clear.

As to answer the questions what will happen if you die, well I have nothing to reply! I have my own ideas on that one; cannot say they are true or not... they're just thoughts, products of my brain, neural circuits. But this doesn't really give me the answer what will happen if we die (if there already happens something of course...); it doesn't really give me a TOE either.

What's just keeps on striking me is the question how something can start to exist out of totally nothing.

So that's what I think now.
(Maybe you can do something with it...)

[David Maes]

I go to the philosopical territory now because this goes extremely further than only some of my thoughts... (so don't take it too seriously...)

If there would be a God to create all this extremely 'high tec' stuff (which probably would be easy for Him); how does He do it without using a brain?? We need a brain and He doesn't...??

It could be that this distinguishes us from God.

If He would be able to do anything he wants without neural circuits, then why do we need neural circuits to be able to do what we do or to be able to think what we think or feel what we feel?

So you could say God doesn't exist. But then how can there exist something out of totally nothing?

So finally everything must be nothing, but...

but that's impossible.

Is it possible that the impossible is possible by the impossible?

So when we believe the existence of a God, then we also might have to believe the existence of a spirit.

Certainly planets fly; they gravitate eachother on almost immense distances, just like some kind of invisible 'hand' is taking care of them; ok they use the mechanism of curvature of spacetime, but this could be another translation of the events into our language of mathematics.

But we are neural circuits?

So I might not think deeply enough, but there finally seems to be left two possibilities:

a) God exists and God doesn't have a brain, and we do have one; that might be because we are just His creation and He builds us with some kind of "Lego"-building-blocks (who knows maybe He just wants to amuse Himself...)??

But if we need a brain and God doesn't have a brain, then this means He doesn't need it to make everything result to the reality we perceive. Maybe He uses another language than we use?

or

b) there has to be something which makes it possible that something exists out of nothing; so impossible things must be possible.


So whatever I try, it cannot find an answer without having to apply to the impossible or the illogical.

Maybe some of you can?

[mkirkpatrick]

What happens after you die is simple,you continue to live of course!Death is
just a word that means change,it is a pattern encoded within the evolutionary cycle,you are evolving,growing,learning the lessons of living with
the "I",self awareness,this takes,and requires much experience,and many lives to learn,death is a fantasy,just like "the Boggy Man",yes your body stops working,and is recycled,but you and I,are not "the body"we are more than that,and are by nature,eternal,this place is "to all intents and purposes
a school playground",we are all here to learn ite lessons,then move on?


kind regards michael.

[David Maes]

Michael, I like you very much, but why would you think that just an avarage guy like me, would know the answer to a question like this??

You are asking the impossible of me.

When I first start (white belt), I just did it because I have some interest in science and philosophy. I first thought all these talking would stay between all of us. Now I'm under the impression, it really doensn't. When I first told some people that I thought it was public, they laughed at me.

I cannot say what I think because I have been a lot of time subject to this emotions of everything what I answer is public;

just an interest which goes so far.

[David Maes]

My friend Michael, I like you very much; I admire your philosophy.

But is the purpose now that I fight against it??

Sorry but "the observator is influencing the observation". What we say is public. I'm not like that.

[David Maes]

Is what we say public or not?

(I'm under the impression it is); honestly I just makes me stating rather demogogic answers; not objective ones; what about you?

When I had white belt; I thought "What the hell, I'm interested in philosophy and science; finally some people to talk to".

But is this public??

Answer me like it is.

This is my name you know. Everybody actually knows my questions??

How can I answer in all objectivity like this??

My name is influencing with my logics;
you'll never get a TOE from me; that's for sure.

I always thought alone (not public); sorry my friends; you'll never get the answer from me; even if I would know it. (I probably would never dare to say it).

[David Maes]

What if I don't know it (or you can't prove it or you don't believe it); then will it give me a BAD name?? Will I be recognized as the one who thought he knew it but in reality didn't? Am I the naief person (with just an interest and searched someone to talk with) who thought he knew it all?? Who had a TOE??

If this is public, then how could you ever expected this from a regular person with regular intelligence??

I'm telling truth!

If this is public; then this is about life and dead and I'm not the one who'll answer it! Leave it to others!

You actually think I could find a TOE??

I leave science to mathematicians; not to interested laymen. I don't ever want to have the stress that people think I would it; EVER!

[David Maes]

What the hell am I doing here?

(So now you know what I really think; or won't you believe it?? I am NOT Einstein; sorry if anyone of you would have expectations (but then you'll be dissappointed).

(Sorry but I only live once myself also; do you understand??

It's my fault; I was the stupid who put my name on it; which makes me subjective and kills every even little part of wisdom which even can be inside me.

(truth).

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

What happens after you die is simple,you continue to live of course!Death is
just a word that means change,it is a pattern encoded within the evolutionary cycle,you are evolving,growing,learning the lessons of living with
the "I",self awareness,this takes,and requires much experience,and many lives to learn,death is a fantasy,just like "the Boggy Man",yes your body stops working,and is recycled,but you and I,are not "the body"we are more than that,and are by nature,eternal,this place is "to all intents and purposes
a school playground",we are all here to learn ite lessons,then move on?


kind regards michael.

I cannot say what you're saying is wrong Michael.

Until now i followed things which i thought scientists also follow.

But science is a struggle against apparent certainties.

I always believed the big bang was not a right theory.

However last news makes me doubting about this again. Also it makes me thinking, what else of what i thought could be false.

I seem to have had the naivety to think what i thought was true.
I can't help it but i start to doubt a little on theories as well(i think i better follow just proof; and even when proven i think you even have to be careful whether the idea which is behind it is a 100 % right).

Maybe our friend was right and anything is possible.

I might have missthought on the big bang, so i guess i learned again.



Maybe we have spirits?; i just cannot say it's wrong.

Maybe it's the significance (like our feelings and thoughts) which are transitory. Of course their could be always some kind of invisible force inside us, which we don't see (but we can only think about), and which is connected to all us and could be timeless. It might have created us.

And out of nothing.

Anything is possible, (outside science; of course the problem with science is; today a theory can be thought right and maybe about 50 years later, everything what we think we know now can be wrong again or different...

Science will deliver us lots of surprises in the future.
Cause we are not at the border of (possible) knowledge!

About feelings or thoughts which could be not a spirit-thing but a brain-thing; then this philosophy conflicts again with other beliefs where relatives keep on existing (maybe in some kind of other dimension which is not visible for us...). I think this is also possible; if there would be a force which created everything out of nothing and uses atoms to create us; then it could also create atoms in some kind of other hidden dimensions to make survive our consciousness; this is also possible. You could say chemical reactions create our feelings and thoughts, consciousness. But maybe you can also say...
your spirit manipulates the atoms in your brain?? (Then of course if there would be something wrong with the 'instrument' the spirit uses... maybe our thoughts are some kind of 'translation' from a spirit??

Maybe this is also possible?

So here i am again, it puts me back into what i usually arrive in, into knowing nothing for sure.
(i cannot state anything for a 100% true if i'm not sure of it myself)

I don't want to criticize other systems of belief which also have the potential of being right.

I would say; there is hope, but no proof (and maybe proof shall come, who knows...).

[David Maes]

Ok, i know i am not worth to talk on this site furtherly; however the matters which are talked about here attract me overwhelmingly.

So i would like to take this opportunity to apologize publicly for the contents of what i send.

i'm grateful this site just didn't throw me out.

i really hope you can forgive me and don't take seriously the contents of what i've send that night.

The DNA of a chimpanzee is for 99% the same as the human DNA.
So when i re-read what i've send that night it makes me more thinking about the chimp-part.

The moment i was sending it i didn't realize what could be the possible consequences of it, i didn't feel it or just didn't think about it. i think i stated almost right from my unconsciousness, because the information was not much processed by my consciousness. i also had too much selfconfidence.

i also have to say that just before i went out, i didn't even plan to send anything.
i did plan it, but then i already was more in a tipsy state; considering the fact that we are talking about consciousness i thought i'll send it for the sake of TOE; maybe it could contribute something to what we are discussing. i didn't expect i would say things like this. Anyway, i don't consider the contents of what i stated important, and i hope you also don't; i only find interesting what this could mean about consciousness.

Anyway the moment i was stating it, i didn't feel anything about the possible consequences. However, the morning-after, when my amount of consciousness started to increase again, i did feel very badly (emotionally) about the contents of what i stated. To be honest with you i almost felt very bad for a whole week.

So it seems that these kind of 'pleasures' also have a price.

Maybe you might not belief what i'm stating now or you might think i'm just faking it.
One of my personal philosophies is that honesty is the best policy. Because i'm a very bad liar. ( i think sometimes to be able to lie you need higher IQ and EQ and...).

So i can confirm i'm not lieing. For me i don't consider that lieing would contribute much to a TOE.

So maybe this could contribute something to what we are talking about.

(i also can confirm that that night was the only one during which i was sending things to here in such a state)

The only thing i can send you is how i experienced it.

i can tell you that the moment when i was stating, i still felt i, but i was in a different state (less conscious). The day-after
(when i was in my normal state again), i still felt i; i also remembered a bit what i stated but i still didn't feel emotionally bad; but the moment when i started re-reading what i stated, then i felt bad. It was like looking in some kind of a mirror for the first time.

However i don't consider my unconsciousness as something which dictates or commands me what i have to do. If it would command me, i think it would already have brought me in a lot of trouble. On the other hand i consider unconsciousness more as a signal (like with animals); but i think in the end it's the consciousness which decides what you're going to do. Of course the consciousness has its roots in the unconsciousness.

Of course i think the more you get in a state like i was approaching, the more the unconsciousness decides what your actions will be.