[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Knot_Me

Trying to remember the question I was supposed to be answering in the first place.

I think it is obvious what happens to the physical - we become worm food. Actually the worms come from with in but that would not be the topic presented.

I do not know about a higher plane of existence but I believe the energy of our consciousness changes form - I believe we have parts of our being that are "us" I believe we have a soul and a spirit.

Ever had an argument with your self - ever wonder who you were arguing with????


In my personal opinion death is when those two aspects of your being join - The representing of a man and woman two separate aspects of the same species joining to make one child- the resulting child is made up of genetic coding from each parent but he/she is an individual in and of their own right - I see the same process happening upon our departing this existence just as it did to begin it - Any way just thought I would add my opinion you guys looked like you could use an extra one of those in this thread

You are right. The 'worms' don't crawl in, they crawl out. The death of a human being isn't complete until "all life" has left it's corpse, even the decaying process is one of life. Simply another elemental and transpersonal state.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Mikal

Drift....you just amaze me how you can talk the spiritual in one breath and then accuse people of judgment in the other...if the spiritual is anything it is most definitely the greater understanding.

I have a conscience Drift so I need no advice from you. I don't need the philosophy of spiritual guru's, I had my experiential moment of knowing God within my own heart and yes I felt my soul....it changes your life forever.

I will not be back to discuss with you or Mel and it might serve you better Drift to own your own mind instead of Abdul L Baha's and think for yourself rather than let Baha's philosophy think for you....

Don't offend those....God gave as precious gifts in your life by expressing that divinely there should be no sorrow when they leave in death....life is so important that we could almost say that God or the universe gave first priority to the "FAMILY" as that is the first place you and all arrive...



Mikal

Perhaps my "advice" wasn't for 'you'. Do you think your "self" the only one 'important' here?

"spiritual guru" is a self-righteous handle/title imposed upon me by you'. I have never made such an audacious claim, which you cleverly and mischieviously try to place upon my doorstep like an unwanted child.

Are you familiar with the axiom, "If you see the Buddha on the road, kill him?" Is this your, quite conspicuous and rather infantile, hidden agenda?

'Things not seen before', are apparently comming to "light".

Are you afraid of losing something you think you have, or of not getting something you think you want?

Either way is obviously very "selfish" on your part.

[leskey]

Originally Posted by Drifter

"spiritual guru" is a self-righteous handle/title imposed upon me by you'. I have never made such an audacious claim, which you cleverly and mischieviously try to place upon my doorstep like an unwanted child.

Are you familiar with the axiom, "If you see the Buddha on the road, kill him?" Is this your, quite conspicuous and rather infantile, hidden agenda?

'Things not seen before', are apparently comming to "light".

Are you afraid of losing something you think you have, or of not getting something you think you want?

Either way is obviously very "selfish" on your part.

This - this place, this medium, this thread, whatever - is NOT life.

It is however a means of observing the individuals who contribute...it is probably fair to assume that what is exemplified here IS indicative of what is exemplified in real life.

No one knows what is going on in another person's life, that's why it's important not to lash out at one another...doing so can only create a whiplash effect ("karma" for the "enlightened") that returns to sting the whip-holder...

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by leskey

This - this place, this medium, this thread, whatever - is NOT life.

It is however a means of observing the individuals who contribute...it is probably fair to assume that what is exemplified here IS indicative of what is exemplified in real life.

No one knows what is going on in another person's life, that's why it's important not to lash out at one another...doing so can only create a whiplash effect ("karma" for the "enlightened") that returns to sting the whip-holder...

If you mean "What goes around comes around." I agree with you. Karma is not particular to any one aloof social group, it affects all equally, even those who ever-so-slightly deem it their duty to point it out to others. The picture is not the painter.

Oh Harbinger of Death, Wherefore now art thy sting?
Wherefore now Thy Victory?

"This" is nothing more than illusion. All we know of 'people' is what people want us to see of them, but there are certain indicators that we can glean from.
This is an extension of that energy, which we all contribute to.
I.O.W.s there is a mind behind every 'persona' expressed here.
One seen and one unseen.
Because minds are dual by nature.

Namaste`
Open hand: The hand that is open to give is also open to receive.

Namaste`
D.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by Drifter

Karma is not particular to any one aloof social group, it affects all equally, even those who ever-so-slightly deem it their duty to point it out to others.

Karma is a term for those who have no other explanation of whats going on. The Hindu's invented it in the 8th century. How did the world work before that ??

Do you really believe it ???

cool bananas ... greg

[G_burnett]

Drift your right the picture is not the painter nor is seen with the same eyes.
Greg in todays world the term Karma is use more loose then tight to conventional definition ... having faith in the goodness of man comes from wanting the same ... dare I ask a question in return? ... have you lost your faith in the goodness of mankind?
Leskey, I think you are a good example of the answer to the above question by which I would profess to have faith in, good post you made.

After we die, we leave behind these words, my personal suggestion after talking it over with my alter ego and spirit of a father ... make them count.
Graham~Peace.

[melanie]

Some of my thoughts regarding the idea of karma, this is what i personally believe to be true.
Without karma the whole of the cosmic creation itself would not exist.
For example when we wish to be powerful, we necessarily create those who are weak.
When we wish to be a master, we create slavery. These may not be our intentions
but what we create,what we cause, will have certain unavoidable effects which rebound upon us all.
We may wish to be a master, but we might not want to be a slave.
by wishing to be a master we unavoidably create the state of slave for ourselves, and those we love.
We can resolve the issue by thinking,acting and speaking such that the consequences are what we would also accept ourselves.
For example we receive that what we give. Or do unto others what you would like them to do to you.
Karma is created in the NOW... in the second.
It is created out of habit and continues to create good or bad,
and does not exist lurking in the past somewhere waiting to punish or reward us.
It exists now in the second it is created, and it's instantly ''cancelled out'' in the instant it is created.
For example if i do bad to someone it is i that feels bad, or if i do good to someone it is i that feels good.

Namaste
melanie.

[Yanborg]

Originally Posted by melanie

Some of my thoughts regarding the idea of karma, this is what i personally believe to be true.
Without karma the whole of the cosmic creation itself would not exist.
For example when we wish to be powerful, we necessarily create those who are weak.
When we wish to be a master, we create slavery. These may not be our intentions
but what we create,what we cause, will have certain unavoidable effects which rebound upon us all.
We may wish to be a master, but we might not want to be a slave.
by wishing to be a master we unavoidably create the state of slave for ourselves, and those we love.
We can resolve the issue by thinking,acting and speaking such that the consequences are what we would also accept ourselves.
For example we receive that what we give. Or do unto others what you would like them to do to you.
Karma is created in the NOW... in the second.
It is created out of habit and continues to create good or bad,
and does not exist lurking in the past somewhere waiting to punish or reward us.
It exists now in the second it is created, and it's instantly ''cancelled out'' in the instant it is created.
For example if i do bad to someone it is i that feels bad, or if i do good to someone it is i that feels good.

Namaste
melanie.

That is all very Socratean, ,but you've ignored sweet revenge, and sweet survival of the hottest. . .

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Graybeard

Karma is a term for those who have no other explanation of whats going on. The Hindu's invented it in the 8th century. How did the world work before that ??

Do you really believe it ???

cool bananas ... greg

Thanks Greg.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...21771218053615

Namaste` Brother,
D.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Graybeard

Karma is a term for those who have no other explanation of whats going on. The Hindu's invented it in the 8th century. How did the world work before that ??

Do you really believe it ???

cool bananas ... greg

For your perusal Greg.(debunckable)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDtRa...eature=related