[Drifter]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra

Drifter & Melanie, pl don think any body is passing judgement on your wisdom, least of all the ls. Just a thought, pl. give some some attention to it: spirituality, wisdom or the path we are engaged in (Reality/Truth) teaches us only practical lessons, which we shoud imbibe in our daily lives! Why our inner wisdom does not match our 'actions'(read 'reations')? love&regards.ls.

Imbalance. Inner wisdom (power/Vision)filtered through the "I" or "me" receptor (Stained glass window/Prism of the mind) and becomes tainted by the subjugation and mis- identification, then and thereby the mis-appropriation and mis-use of this power is then mis-handled for gaining 'personal urges and desires' further strengthening, butressing the "I", or the Impostor concept.

[G_burnett]

I would like to reply to a couple questions to me from my last post.

I hope this will make things clearer. There are two forces in this universe made a ponder back as a child to the first fact of science told to me. One is that something in motion tends to stay in motion and something at rest tends to stay at rest and second we can not create energy nor destroy it only change it.

I jumped from these two laws to the nature of things. Thus said the basis of our universe that matter either created clumps with other matter or tended to disperse as a clump the event.

The next step was to look at the human condition. We are the result of clumping of matter. We have from the beginning of this clumping tried to stay clumped as an identity other then one which would tend to disperse as a natural state or existence. This comes from the first law of motion.

In the human condition, we have achieved great evolutionary way of continual motion against the forces that would put us at rest. We did not get here by batting head on into these forces so to speak because that did not work, but we did it by bending in the wind like a young willow. We have compromised our identity and ability in motion, our upward transience, and our motion that in natural must continue by bending. I may go further into this compromise thought but it would be out of forum topic for it involves life eternal not death and the way we have compromised our eternal life in the individual persona to keep in motion.

We have reached the point where in this compromise not only do we have the ability to bend in the wind to any direction but also to stand without bending. I works for a while this not bending and turning a blind eye to the wind but eventually even with the greatest of foundations and roots the tree falls. All great civilizations have fallen with the greatest of roots and foundations because there was no ability to compromise with the forces universal.

Unconditional blind love is a form of not bending and as a willed condition or state of BEING, it is a form of foolishness that leads to being at rest as any thing is such just a wind one must consider bending in or standing to take the full force of …. The wind of love or wind of likable awareness to a persona place or thing may feel good and is still a factor of force “against” the rule of motion for a transient particle of matter we name ourselves. In the name of likable awareness, we do varied things and some can lead to the friction that will cause us to stop our motion au’natural … a great dishonour to who we are and have become in this form of clumping.

I identify with all those that came before me. This is why to those that would profess in there own ponder that unconditional acceptance of love is the cure for it all in blind faith are foolish and contribute to ills of the human condition. They leave the world in selfishness against the human condition to die and want “death”, not “life”. Maybe in all this, not even knowing the persona state. This is the one on one meaning of teaching one must do at times we have come to be able to do in the human condition of a clumped particle transient form and done as a matter of fact to personal existence, the sage in us all. This does not come under the heading of preaching either. The taking in or reflection of such instruction is up to the receiver of the emit and in the case of not having and reflecting what can not be absorbed for “life” the duty of sage to either explain in such a way the bending, so the little sap(ling) will be able to understand or take in. The Father or Mother spirit in our makeup. ~Kind regards all … graham.

[Mikal]

Graham....I find the unconditional love principle sadly misunderstood by alot of people. Its a little like the "postive thinking" movement where everyone is expected to be so positive that its almost a violation to recognize and address the negative. Its a little like that with the unconditional love principle whereby alot falls to the wayside because unconditional love does not allow the emergence of other virtues which enable us to battle with life and in those battles help to carve out our own inner character....



mikal

[David Maes]

Mister the Yeti,

Originally Posted by Drifter

He is in the world David, as your "Conscience", how often do you listen to That?

He has cancer.

Everyone has learned since kindergarden the difference between what is right and wrong 'socially' these 'things' we have been taught by our Parents and by society at large, at work, at play, on a date, you name it. You cannot say you do not know the difference bewteen right and wrong, can you? Isn't it the same, or nearly so, for every other human being on the face of this planet David? Sure our culyures and our conditioning make us 'different' somewhat, but eac of us has a consciece that tags along wherever we go. It knows, even if 'we' decide to go against the still small voice in our heads, anddo things 'our way', what is right and what is wrong and what is approprate and what not, regardless of what we actually end up doing. That's what is meant in scriptures by "May His Will Be Done and not "my own". Get it?

His will is just noted down in some books called 'the bible'. This contains nothing else than some fairy-tales transmitted from one generation to another. None of all these fairy-tales have ever been proven. The conception of one's own finiteness and death in the contemplative projection of a framework of time forms an extra-problem that many people in many cultures "solve" by inventing and unproven believing in the existence of a deity, in an extra-ordinary "hereafter" and in a "spirit" breaking away from the body (dualism), which will live on in this hereafter (if necessary after having met a number of conditions). "Deity", "hereafter" and "spirit" have never been proven.

His way or the highway, thinking about it or doubting it(e.g. following ones carnal or material urges and desires) in many instances, is a prelude for disaster.

I don't care about carnal or material urges and desires.

"Let go and let God. You don't an emphatic "YES or OK!" Just stop saying no, and learn to listen and follow your "Conscience" as your 'guide' for a change. It's really pretty easy. I call it my "Ever Trustworthy Parental Spirit", if the word God is such an aversion for you, or "Dad"'Father', "Friend", or No thing at all, what It really is.

First of all, "spirit" is an insult for my own mind. So is "god".
"Dad", "Father" or "Friend" is not.


But you cannot say It/He does not exist! That would self-contradictory, an impossibility.

Namaste`
D

But you can. It's entirely possible god doesn't exist.

To most people, giving meaning means, that you must be able to hang up what's human to a sort of higher 'peg', so that it has something 'eternal', something 'permanent', some objective value. That need of that what's objectively significant is collective insanity.

What I mean is...

The insanity of one person is called madness, the insanity of a group is called religion.

[chazzysaw]

What happens when this life expires has been a mystery to humankind for ages. There has been testimony of near death experiences, there has been experiments and even Hollywood is in the act with their many interpretations on what happens after death. Some believe something happens (or hope) and others believe nothing. It seem to depend on your religious belief, custom, or your own personal belief. I believe those who believe nothing hope for something, good or bad. Heaven, that's the place to go to. Heaven is the place everyone is suppose to strive for and live with God for eternity. It all sounds good but I have a few problems with that belief and I don't want to go there for eternity especially with some of the people that claim they are going to Heaven. Then again with all of the rules it takes to get there Heaven maybe kind of empty.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Mikal

I find the unconditional love principle sadly misunderstood by alot of people.

Its a little like the "postive thinking" movement where everyone is expected to be so positive that its almost a violation to recognize and address the negative.

Its a little like that with the unconditional love principle whereby alot falls to the wayside
because unconditional love does not allow the emergence of other virtues which enable us to battle with life and in those battles help to carve out our own inner character....
mikal

Hi mikal, I am a little confused, and was wondering what you mean when you say,
''unconditional love does not allow the emergence of other virtues which enable us to battle with life''

I would be interested to understand what you mean by this.
Many thanks.

namaste
melanie.

[G_burnett]

vacation video ....

http://ciclops.org/view_media/19127/Flight_over_Iapetus

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Drifter

More easily accomplished among like-mided souls, wouldn't you agree ls.?

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=QbYvIK...eature=related

Namaste`
D.

IN Kahil Gibran’s classic work, The Prophet a man from the village approaches the Prophet and asks him to: “Speak to us of Self-Knowledge.”

And he (the prophet) answered, saying:
“Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.
But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart’s knowledge.
You would know in words that which you have always known in thought.
the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes.
But let there be no scales to weight your unknown treasure;
For self is a sea boundless and measureless.
The soul unfolds itself, like a lotus of countless pearls.”

Gibran contrasts the thoughts of the mind and ego with the secret self within the heart.
Whereas the mind is full of chatter and confusion, the Self within the heart is known in silence.
Again, the heart center is compared with a flower - a lotus unfolding from within without.
In western traditions, the rose is the more common symbol of the mysterious heart center.

Namaste - Oh like minded ONE.
*** Picture of rose removed by Administrator. These forums are dedicated to the Theory of Everything. Please refrain from posting silly pictures. ***

(Getting stuck with the thorny end is a myth)


melanie.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by melanie

IN Kahil Gibran’s classic work, The Prophet a man from the village approaches the Prophet and asks him to: “Speak to us of Self-Knowledge.”

And he (the prophet) answered, saying:
“Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights.
But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart’s knowledge.
You would know in words that which you have always known in thought.
the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes.
But let there be no scales to weight your unknown treasure;
For self is a sea boundless and measureless.
The soul unfolds itself, like a lotus of countless pearls.”

Gibran contrasts the thoughts of the mind and ego with the secret self within the heart.
Whereas the mind is full of chatter and confusion, the Self within the heart is known in silence.
Again, the heart center is compared with a flower - a lotus unfolding from within without.
In western traditions, the rose is the more common symbol of the mysterious heart center.

Namaste - Oh like minded ONE.
(Getting stuck with the thorny end is a myth)


melanie.

Thank you love, a picture is worth a thousand words.
But for those who have ears and the need to hear:

Namaste`
D.

Awakening is a flowering of your innermost being.

It is 'the revelation' of your essence,
hidden by long eons of self-delusion,
ignorance,
unbounded desires.

Enlightenment is an ending as well as a beginning:

the ending of the old, veiled, dark ego,
its longings, illusions, frustrations;
the beginning of a vast expanse,
an infinite field of the Unknown,
an adventure in consciousness.

It is a revolution:

it represents danger to the old way of life,
to old ways of thinking and living.

It is freedom from the known and the unknown;

from the real and the unreal;
from any appearance of division between you and Truth.

It is the abandoning of beliefs, dis-beliefs,
presumptions and stances,
self, ego,
call it what you will,
or call it nothing,
what it is.

It is the Path of the golden Dawn,
the Path out of the Night of Time
into the Bursting daylight of Eternal Now...

- Petros

"He, whom awakens, has arisen",
Becomming One with True Essence, before the 'actual demise' of the body-mind organism.

"Beyond the concepts of right-doing and wrong-doing
There is a Field,
I'll meet you there.
~Jalaladin Rumi

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by chazzysaw

What happens when this life expires has been a mystery to humankind for ages. There has been testimony of near death experiences, there has been experiments and even Hollywood is in the act with their many interpretations on what happens after death. Some believe something happens (or hope) and others believe nothing. It seem to depend on your religious belief, custom, or your own personal belief. I believe those who believe nothing hope for something, good or bad. Heaven, that's the place to go to. Heaven is the place everyone is suppose to strive for and live with God for eternity. It all sounds good but I have a few problems with that belief and I don't want to go there for eternity especially with some of the people that claim they are going to Heaven. Then again with all of the rules it takes to get there Heaven maybe kind of empty.

This "Here and Now" is "Heaven", if we make it that way, if we don't, it can be hell.

The only place to go is NowHere. And your not allone, because 'You think' like a sectarian or a separationist. The "Rules" are nothing more than moral guidelines for te evolution of mankind, but, having been ignored for centuries, has gotten mankind to the point of his current 'evolutionary' predicament, if you can call it that, it's more reminecent of the 'dark-ages' as far as mankinds moral development is concerned.imho, All blame is predicated by the "I" thought.imho Away from the Godhead. ('goodness' replaced by Ignorance, Arrogance and Greedimho

Namaste`
D.