[Drifter]

pages 1-3 explains the Social Imperative in personal Salvation which promulgates the Ascent of 'Society'. or, "The Purpose of Physical Reality":

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&...um=1&ct=result

Namaste`
D.

"Eat, Drink and be Merry, for tomorrow we die"?

I don't think so.

At the risk of 'losing oneself to find oneself', I cordially invite the casual/causal reader to lightly peruse the first twenty pages or so, then to draw ones own, otherwise temporarily suspended conclusions, from that point.

[melanie]

What happens after you die?

He came home. Said nothing.
It was clear, though, that something had gone wrong.
He lay down fully dressed.
Pulled the blanket over his head.
Tucked up his knees.
He's nearly forty, but not at the moment.
He exists just as he did inside his mother's womb________
clad in seven walls of skin, in sheltered darkness.
Tomorrow he'll give a lecture
on homeostasis in metagalactic cosmonautics.
For now, though, he has curled up and gone to sleep.

Wislawa Szymborska

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by Drifter

Let this gathering be a foreshadowing of what will, in very truth, take place in this world, when every child of God realizes that they are leaves of one tree, flowers in one garden, drops in one ocean, and sons and daughters of one Father, whose name is love!
(Abdu'l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 30)

That's not proven.
It's said but not a fact.

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by Drifter

Like minded souls are people, relatively speaking, who are aware of their true essence.
The soul has a dual nature, one is/has an affinity for material things, the other an affinity for the Spritual, so individual souls are, or can be, somewhat ambiguous. .

How can you know that a soul is ambiguous if you don't even know whether a soul exists?
The fact that we have a soul is said but not proven.

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by Drifter

Nte the "motif" in action in the parable of the Garden of Eden which portrays the archtype of the perfect man and also that of the wayward soul.

The garden of eden is a ferry-tale; we originate from the monkey; this happened by blind evolution (i.e. Darwin remember?)
Or are you going to deny the theory of evolution?

[Drifter]

Taming My Monkey

Please let me introduce you, to my dearest darling friend.
A life long companion a relationship without end.

A nervous jumpy monkey, but not the furry kind.
This nervous jumpy monkey is my nervous jumpy mind.

Untamed tis prone to wander swinging through the trees.
Many, many branches of subjects ill-at ease.

It's energy seems boundless, it's hunger is immense.
The trees of thought are many, their branches very dense.

Frantically it searches throughout the vast divide.
A furtive mental forest exclusive to inside.

His treasured finds are many their value yet untold.
For searching is his prime concern with disregard for gold.

And so I gave it silence a stilling of the pond.
Not so very easy yet in time he did respond.

So now the trees are fewer their branches to enjoy.
With subjects so much clearer and treasures to employ.

We made a firm agreement to live each day this way.
With strength we shall continue and there we hope to stay.


I like poems they transmit something more than words. you know the
gap between the words where it's meaning resides. I am convinced our
intuition is in fact our strongest sense and the most misunderstood.
Words carry subtle energy which is recognized by our sub-conscious.
We have to undo the illusions of communications and allow intuition to
flow.

Hope you enjoy.

[Drifter]

The Nikko Toshogo Shrine, also known as the Sacred Stable, in Japan has a carving of three wise monkeys. Many scholars believe the monkeys were carved as a visual representation of the religious principle, “If we do not hear, see, or speak evil, we ourselves shall be spared all evil."

Others believe that the saying originated from a Japanese play on words. “See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil," translated into Japanese is, “mizaru, kikazaru, iwazaru." The Japanese word for monkey is “saru", and sounds very similar to the verb-ending “zaru". It is easy to see how the saying may have originated from a fun play on words. The only problem with this explanation is that the three wise monkeys aren’t originally from Japan.

In the eighth century A.D. a Buddhist monk from China introduced the three wise monkeys to Japan. They were associated with a fearsome blue-faced deity called Vadjra. It is believed that the monkeys’ gestures were a representation of a command of the deity to “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil."

Just as there is disagreement about the origin of the phrase, there are differing explanations of the meaning of “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil." Some contend that it is a proverb reminding us not to be so snoopy, so nosy, and so gossipy. Others say that it is a warning to stay away from places where immoral acts are taking place. Whatever the origin and meaning of “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil," it is one of the most visual phrases in existence. It’s impossible to hear it spoken without thinking of three wise, but very cute, little monkeys.

[Robert]

I'll be reviewing this thread in the coming days. Some members will be given infractions, a temporary ban, placed on probation, etc. depending on the level of offense. As a reminder:

1. Stay on topic. Review the initial post to determine what that topic is.
2. Members must not insult other members.
3. Silly pictures should not be posted. It gives a very unprofessional look.
4. Do not socialize without added substance to the discussion. That's why I added the public square forum.

--Robert

[G_burnett]

The joining of science an religion can only begin at the garden of Eden understood. A state of existence in the human condition of evolution that was in existence by which proof is taken our now existence and having consciousness is more then enough of an explanation. It was a place that has been described over thousands of years of ponder by others that in Eden all things had been given names and by the naming and understanding of all the beasts of the field we had power over them.

We then started to look at the universe. Reason? Desire. As we donned the coverings of our naked bodies in fear of the heavens infinite wonder we set the rules of looking. The protectorate was the Father, the bringer of food. Over time and grouping in such the form of a family, tribe, race, … the Father became the Almighty. Then culture took this concept and made other “thing” the almighty. It did not work nor works now. Learning this is a warning for the atheist who may make science a religion.

All else fell to the wayside coming out of Eden as over and over the father as the almighty won over the bother of existence and the way to survive. This is the root of evolution from Eden. Judgements.

In the rise of civilizations, this grouping of Fathers, it took only one look at the heavens and all the amazements of the universe unfolding to keep the fear now instinctive to the human persona alive and well to hold on to the concept of an almighty protectorate. Where was the father … rulers tried to fill that bill. It still does not work.

One culture to the next the cowards ignorance of the ALL kept varied form of protectorate, the blanket of a child, the imaginary friend, the baba and Teddy Bear. All a necessity of the human persona inheriting need of understanding the Father almighty gave to them so long ago before the grouping enemas.

Desire brought us out of Eden. With this we lost the concept of immortality, the joining in marital bond to reproduce a continuance of who we are. Rationalized as not that simple to meet the demands of social order of en-mass grouping does not work to the scientist looking to the nature of things. Then when realised its reality having to give up all, the burn of the flame of truth and cutting sword that moves every way cutting up the renationalized excuses of youth as a species, evolving we come to the TOE … the Quest to give us the final answer.

In all of this there is one persona that kept the reality alive, the father almighty of children. It is He who will give the TOE. Not the scientist who ignores history to mindset of study nor the theologies’ major using the ponderings of science to further personal goal.

What happens after we die? We go on in the genes of our children in the human persona and in the scientific term our energy disperses to the ALL in helix vortices emit forward and back along threads of a ether transient particle form having no ending or beginning in space and time. Is this with will? To go here and there? Will would have no meaning on such existence and is a function of where along the paths we run up to a wall that going through is where will is manifest. For it is you this wall. There your will to teach and instruct you at that time and space of existence. Forever changing that line. Or not.

Father G.

Microsft ID tag request was blocked by my computer ... is this for advertizing monies coming in Robert? Can you explane this type of a spyware on this site? Need help to remove it? or is it harmless need? g.

[r.p.bibra]

Originally Posted by Robert

I'll be reviewing this thread in the coming days. Some members will be given infractions, a temporary ban, placed on probation, etc. depending on the level of offense. As a reminder:

1. Stay on topic. Review the initial post to determine what that topic is.
2. Members must not insult other members.
3. Silly pictures should not be posted. It gives a very unprofessional look.
4. Do not socialize without added substance to the discussion. That's why I added the public square forum.

--Robert

Dear Rober,
Could you pl. stop the members from quoting chapter after chapters from those books which are easily available on internet! At the most , if they so desire, refer to the related links or air their thoughts/views (not propaganda) in the proper thread (religion) . Members should also desist from publishing any particular religion, sect or faith; these are very personal matters which one should keep them in their hearts rather than making them a matter of ridicule! love&regards.ls.