[Drifter]

Originally Posted by David Maes

Yes you are, you liar.

What I am is a "Spiritualist".

Then out spake brave Horatius, The Captain of the Gate: ``To every man upon this earth Death cometh soon or late. And how can man die better Than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, And the temples of his gods?"

I Who Speak

Sometimes As I Write, the 'I' becomes "We” and yet remains 'I.'
There is a Consciousness which, while It remains One, is a symphony of harmoniously blended parts.
I write, and I watch myself writing.
I Know, and yet I wonder at the knowing.
I am the student and, at the same time, I am the Teacher.
As Teacher, I stand in Majesty looking upon the world below.
As student, I look up humbly and amazed.
I speak and, presently, there blends with my voice the melodious Voices of Others.
One Meaning in many tones is unfolded.
So the tones of the seven-stringed Lyre are all sounded; one here, another there, in groups and, finally, all together.
And before this Melody I sit entranced, filled to the brim and more.
I who Speak none will ever know until, on that final Day he finds Himself, when I appear in all My Glory.




Dr. Franklin Merrell Wolff

Love
Drifter

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra

Dear Rober,
Could you pl. stop the members from quoting chapter after chapters from those books which are easily available on internet! At the most , if they so desire, refer to the related links or air their thoughts/views (not propaganda) in the proper thread (religion) . Members should also desist from publishing any particular religion, sect or faith; these are very personal matters which one should keep them in their hearts rather than making them a matter of ridicule! love&regards.ls.

Dear ls.
What happens after we die, beyond the obvious and as explained 'scientifically', science has yet 'to prove a soul or a spirit exists', as it is out-of-their-league, but I think we humans all know and are in no need of such 'scientific' proof. It animates and vivifies the very human being / mind body organism we are, the first duality is one of the spiritual and the material. The outer/seen being a manifestation of the unseen/inner. Whether it is an atom or a galaxy, each having divine attributes.

Namaste`
D.

[r.p.bibra]

Originally Posted by Drifter

Dear ls.
"The outer/seen being a manifestation of the unseen/inner. Whether it is an atom or a galaxy, each having divine attributes".

Namaste`
D.

We (Indians) respect, honor and worship 'dual' aspect (re-incarnation) of Soul, but this here is a community of scientists we mingle with, and they relate with only material aspect of nature, not 'some' subtle 'factor' which is hidden beyond it! When some one else (like ls.) speaks in the language (state of non-dualism) of Melanie, it is not acceptable to you, then how do you expect the scientific brains to appriciate her 'level-of-wisdom' or for that matter, as of yours? with malice towards none. love&regards.ls

[melanie]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra

but this here is a community of scientists we mingle with,
and they relate with only material aspect of nature,

not 'some' subtle 'factor' which is hidden beyond it!

Mystics/scientists or what ever ''we'' want to call ourselves are all in this together and must work together IMHO

Lets not forget also that this TOE forum has Metaphysical and Spiritual Forums to discuss topics.

This particular thread for example is called '' What happens after you die? ''
Well hang on there, that is not exactly inviting the reader writer to contemplate the material aspect of nature now is it?

There are many members here who discuss very complicated scientific and mathematical subjects, hardly readable, let alone understandable,
so are we to assume theirs is the only path to TOE?

Seems a bit one sided and hypocritical to me.

In order for there to be any mutual understanding or head way in a uniting of minds to find a successful Toe,
we need to stop getting into a ''them'' and ''us'' mentality.

The living world ''out there'' is already full of that.
You only have to read a newspaper or tune into the news on your TV.

I personally do not understand the dynamics of physics and mathematical science.
But i do not confront the members and say hey! BTW this is not acceptable i cannot grasp what you are talking about.

And dearest Robert, Sorry too for the silly pictures, yes it lowers the professionalism of the TOE. I agree, so i won't post anymore of them.
Once again though we are all guilty of this now. Are we not?

Yes it's a very serious business this life stuff, so apologies for my silly pictures.
I guess my natural nature has a hard time keeping up with the big league.
Although my nature has survived many traumatic events in life, through the grace of natural being, and a willingness to listen to my inner child,
i have gained much happiness and stability.
I have done the stuff that's expected of the big league.
It happens automatic.
Nature has got us, we haven't got it.
Mainly my nature, it want's to play, run, and be free. A birthright. IMHO

Pl, remember 'Religion' is dead and buried now, and so we must move on into newer ways of thinking and being, so as to survive as a species.
If we are to continue to be afraid of change, we will extinct ourselves.
Change is very uncomfortable, but we must pass through the chaos in order to see the light at the end of the tunnel.


Also sorry for the lovey dovey fun i enjoy with some others here, sorry if it offends some people.
A displaying of natural affection can be seen by some as abnormal so it appears. (suspicious minds imo )
I will try to be more serious and professional in future, and not be my true spontaneous self.
Namaste
melanie.

[melanie]

I think there is much confusion in our reality, when we begin to take our only means of communication literally.

Words in reality have no meaning they fade away, people talk too much for what they have to say.

We must imo listen to our own voices, get our own house in order, the atoms that make up our reality are quantum in nature.
We mimic each other because we are all electrically and magnetically interconnected.

When we begin to believe and take literally the words we use, for instance..

GOD...RELIGION...SCIENCE...PHYSICAL...NON-PHYSICAL ....etc etc etc
we can get confused as to there exact meanings.

All these words are just meaningless words, words that only ever point to our reality,BUT the map is never the territory.
The only thing real in our reality is the nothingness of it.
And out of that nothingness arises everything.

What and how we decide to believe in, or perceive or see or interpret our reality, it will always be different to that.

But what never ever changes is simply ......The SEE_ing or the WIT_ness state. aka ''Awareness -self evidence '' .... Everything else is a bad interpretation. imo.

namaste
melanie.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by melanie

There are many members here who discuss very complicated scientific and mathematical subjects, hardly readable, let alone understandable, so are we to assume theirs is the only path to TOE?

Yes! There doesn't appear to be any other sensible approach

Originally Posted by melanie

Seems a bit one sided and hypocritical to me.

Whats the alternative ?

Originally Posted by melanie

a willingness to listen to my inner child,

Whats her name, Mel ??

Originally Posted by melanie

Also sorry for the lovey dovey fun i enjoy with some others here,

Ya don't show any of it to me, only that old bugger Drift. How ya goin Babe, good ta see ya postin. Have a good time now, cause after your dead, your eatan by worms ... lol

cool bananas ... greg

[Mikal]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra

Dear Rober,
Could you pl. stop the members from quoting chapter after chapters from those books which are easily available on internet! At the most , if they so desire, refer to the related links or air their thoughts/views (not propaganda) in the proper thread (religion) . Members should also desist from publishing any particular religion, sect or faith; these are very personal matters which one should keep them in their hearts rather than making them a matter of ridicule! love&regards.ls.

RP....this is a fair request! I am spiritual, I do not preach it, I live it. Others in my life are religious, I respect their choice and see it as what they feel they need in their life. I do agree our faith is a deeply personal and oftentimes private matter which we are sensitive to.....


Mikal

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by melanie

Words in reality have no meaning
.... they fade away
....... people talk too much
.......... for what they have to say.

melanie.

Great prose Mel

No Felony Melanie

Melanie. . . Melanie. . .
It's no felony
To listen to Melanie

The years have slipped bye
Since Woodstock was why
I knew what Melanie's thinkin'

When the weather is cold
And I'm growing old
And tea is all I'm drinkin'
I'll get out my records
And re-read the sleeves
And remember what Melanie's thinkin'

But Melanie's here just right where we are
With her songs her words and her music
So with her song and her mighty guitar
Our way back to Woodstock's not too far.

[Mikal]

Greg dear....smiles...the worms do not get all, lots are gotten by the fire and cremation. Now that would be the body, and then there is that "worm" in the head, the Pineal Gland through which the spirit leaves the earth....so worms truly are busy at death ah!!!!

Its nice to lose the fear of death, cause then you truly want to live which is what life would be all about anyway....

The best....Mikal

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by Mikal

and then there is that "worm" in the head, the Pineal Gland through which the spirit leaves the earth

Hi Mikal ... When I wrote that the poet injects 'the principle of volition' into the pineal gland' of alien species I was thinking of the post-cartesian theory which supposes the pineal gland to unify the mind and body. So my new poetry is a materialist-psychological poetry. It is allied with reason and logic on the scientific side, and does not disassociate sensation and reflection on the spiritual side.

It is essentially a sociological dramatic poetry because it depends on projection into the not-self and a scientific analysis of different orders of experience. Its ideological importance lies in the fact that it extends the range of knowledge into what is other to us and brings it into the arena of rational and imaginative scientific debate.

In other words, if you can't beat the bastards, then join em' ....... rotflmao

cool bananas ... greg

(I wouldn't believe a single word of anything I tell you in this post .. lol)