[David Maes]

Originally Posted by Drifter

I have no need of scientific proof, as it has a lot of catching up to do.
I Am a Gnostic, and you have yet to begin the study, muchless apply any knowledge thereof.

You have just proven yourself that you think you know what you belief. You can't know.
By the way, if a god would exist, then it would just be a matter of simple logic that we can't know it.

Saying you know god exists is therefor a double mistake: first of all it's unscientific.
Secondly it doesn't proof much of knowledge about religion either. Why would you think that you of all people would know god exists and other people wouldn't? God would be to big for you to even be able to know him.
Otherwise it wouldn't be a god would it? It's logical.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao

Verifiable only after the fact, but on living, feeling of joy and pain will never be an illusion although most often can be a delusion of grandeur.

Quite so,however only in the relative sense,in the absolute they are non-existant.



regards michael.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

in the absolute they are non-existant.

And again only after the fact where and when we die at a particular location of the infinite stretch of the space-time fabric.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

What happens after you die?Well you carry on living of course!Death is an illusion fostered by ignorance of what life IS!!





regards michael.

Yes Michael,
You are one of very few who know.

Soon after the 'unheralded event' come to pass, everything we have worked and struggled for all of our lives, will fall into the hands, many times, of perfect 'strangers'.

So, in the end, What's really important? We all know none of this can be taken with is, except the tape and video, taken by our 'Conscience' of all we ever thought and did in this existence, to be played back in our face for what may seem like an eternity until 'we', now as one finally with, That, finally see and thereby learn, the truth between right and wrong.

So again, What's 'really important'. When we compare our 'thoughts and deeds' to the Prophets, The Messengers of God, who so brilliantly and stainlessly shone forth in all His Glory, the attributes of God, made manifest in man?

I'm speaking of His Divine attributes by which we have knowledge of God through Godliness, such as knowledge and power, soverignty and dominion, mercy and wisdom, glory, bounty and grace are made manifest.

Of special interest to those who would consider themselves humanists rather than followers of a revealed and institutionalized religion is a passage proclaiming that other than the Manifestations who perferctly manifest all the attributes of God, the most stunning and ample expression of godliness is the human being: fashioned in the "image" of the Creator, the human being is capable of manifesting all the attributesof God.

In this sense, we can attain significant understanding of God by coming to nderstand ourselves, and human nature in general: "How resplendant the lumiaries of knowledge that shine in an atom, and how vast the oceans of wisdom that surge within a drop! To a supreme degree is true of man,who, among all created things, hath been invested with the robe of such gifts, and hath been singled out for the glory of such distinction. For in him are potentially revealed all the attributes and names of God to a degree that no other created being hath excelled or surpassed. All these names and attributes are applicable to him. Even as He hath said: "Man is My mystery, and I am his mystery."

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao

And again only after the fact where and when we die at a particular location of the infinite stretch of the space-time fabric.

You have a way with words my friend.We just change our vehicle of expression
thats all,slip of the physical body,and continue to use the etheric/astral body.





regards michael.

[David Maes]

The hard truth is that god is infinite and we are finite.
God is immortal and we are mortal.
If you look at the difference between us and god; it's not so hard to understand.

(I think I'm better off without him).

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by David Maes

The hard truth is that god is infinite and we are finite.
God is immortal, we are mortal.

Are you absolutely,totally,unreservedly,unquestionably sure of that opinion?




regards michael.

[AntonioLao]

Physical matter and energy will remain finite but the ethereal will forever be infinitely small or infinitely big, zero and infinity existing together in the same space-time position as the prime mover or the prime unmover.

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Are you absolutely,totally,unreservedly,unquestionably sure of that opinion?




regards michael.

I'm not absolutely, totally, unreservedly, unquestionably sure about anything.
It wouldn't be scientific.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao

Physical matter and energy will remain finite but the ethereal will forever be infinitely small or infinitely big, zero and infinity existing together in the same space-time position as the prime mover or the prime unmover.

Yes,well said that man!I concur absolutely with that.




regards michael