[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by KAC I am not a buddist, but I understand and accept a number of the Buddist Philosophies. Important is the Three marks of Existance. Dukka - All is unsatisfactory. Dissatisifaction arises from Anicca and Anatta. The Ego desires that which is Impermentent. Nothing from the physical world can bring lasting fullfillment. Anicca - All is Impermanent. All states are in flux. No state stays whole eternally. All that is; in the next moment will not be. I am Impermanent. Anatta - All is Transitory. All states will decay into another state. Simply put, no ego survives death. We are as dust in the wind. So. I am unable to make measurement of the world beyond, so I figure that weather it exists or not, is of no importance to me. I am here and now, on the path, the Tao. What I do here-now is more important, than what I do or get there-after. Simply put, I believe that when I die, I cease to exist. That there is no cycle of reincarnation. That all that I am ceases. This is fine, so long as in the last moments I can be proud that I lived.

Who was it that said,you are perfectly entitled to your opinion,even though
it is wrong?The name escapes me!BTW,do you accept the law of cause and effect!

kind regards michael.

[KAC]

Voltaire?

That is another Buddist Priniciple that I accept, that of Dependent Origin. No observation is independent of the Observer, and Every event has a Cause, and every event has an effect.

The cause will always be an effect, and all is change, all is motion, therefore all things have a cause, and all things have an effect.

[ema]

whats wrong after we deid?

its not easy, and not hard!!
worms eat our bodies, then god rewards us or punishes us!!(us= our souls ofcourse because the body is only a container in my view)
if u was evil, u go to the hell..
if u was angle, u go to the paradise!!!

hope to see u thier!!!

ema

[humanbydefault]

I could split the question in two parts... What happen to your physical body and what will happen to your own "personal legacy" >>> what will transcend to others still in this "dimenssional existence."
What will happen to our physical body is probably an issue that we all agree on: Decomposition into biologically degrading chemical components.
The second part is perhaps the taughest one. It will depend on the fortunate of having a family on their own [son(s) and/or daughter(s) that will miss you or will hate you for as long as they live...] It will depend on the degree of good that you were able to offer to those who needed you along the way. If you were a teacher the legacy of knowledge you created will transcend into new generations and the memory of your work will always be remembered. If you happen to be a scientist your work will be translated into a higher standard of living enjoyable by the entire human race. If you died fighting a war your nation will remember you in a global way perhaps not mentioning your name but your family will always keep you in their prayers.
If you wrote a book or your memories you will be read by someone one day perhaps and during that reading your legacy will be passed to others somehow too. I prefer to acknowledge the human race in a holistic way rather than what will happen to me individually... I don't know if you could understand this point of view as I see it (?) I'm part of an existence that has been involved in a search for the true meanning of his own existence in a universe we hardly understand any more. The more we find out about things the more we discover we know very little about we thought it was perfectly clear before. It's the road for the quest for new reasonings and knowledge what is important and not the actual destination... I guess.
Worms will take care of your souless body in a coupple of days but that is just as natural as neutron's decay after 15 minutes of starting the process... It doesn't make neutrons less important it teach us that there is a beginning and an end for many things and those stages of changes are "stapled" with what we defined as "TIME." We can't travel back and pretend to ignore this fact learned the hard way since the beginnings of everything if it was in fact a beginning to begin with...

But of course that is my personal opinion.

HBD

[harmonygirl]

I think we can all agree on what happens to your physical self. I think the question is, "is there other than a physical self and if so, what happens to it". HBD, your legacy, or the result of your actions continue to affect the world while you are living and continue after you are dead. What happens to your non-physical self (I believe there is one) outside of the ripples you have left?
Ema, I am not sure that we can strictly speak of 'good' people and 'bad' people. I think there are aspects of both in everyone. If that is the case, where do the people go who have aspects of both 'good' and 'bad' in their character? I don't believe in heaven and hell.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by David Maes My friend Michael, I like you very much; I admire your philosophy. But is the purpose now that I fight against it?? Sorry but "the observator is influencing the observation". What we say is public. I'm not like that.

David,thank you for the kind words,you need not at all my friend,just go easy on the sauce,know what I mean?


kind regards michael.

[jim barlow]

"I believe that when I die, I cease to exist. That there is no cycle of reincarnation. That all that I am ceases. This is fine, so long as in the last moments I can be proud that I lived."

Let me add to your picture with which I agree as it stands. I can't help finding our somewhat unfortunate ego (and its cosmic parallels) fascinating however. The differentiated universe, the frozen out shapes, the broken symmetries, the evolutions, the decompositions seem to be playing on the ego theme. Animals not knowing the concept of death are nevertheless very serious about staying in one piece. Even a chair resists to be chopped up for firewood. This universal bunching up on one end and fear of death as if this were Paradise on the other. Why? Why not leave the whole thing in symmetry with superhot particles evenly distributed in blessed egolessness. Egos seem to be budding in a lot of places with or without consciousness. A salt molecule is a broken symmetry, a unit.
I'm not trying to get too grandiose here. I think if we get beyond time and language (but stay in clear thinking) we will find our cake and eat it too. I hasten to add that I do not in any way endorse religion if it is not supported by science, not necessarily experimental but logical and at this point speculative.
Buddhistic thinking I think is an excellent antidote to false egos blown up by social manipulation threatening deflation from the outside and meditation I think is very beneficial to a kind of ego "growth" that steps out into a timeless space.

[KAC]

The Buddhism I speak of is that of the core type. It is not religion. Infact Siddartha said that Deitification was anathema to what he was (parapharse).

Siddartha was a man, and what I would concider a Social Scientist. What he had to teach was Philosophy and observational techniques. To me he is on par with Immanuel Kant, in that his thinking is some of the most revolutionary in the history of human kind.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by KAC The Buddhism I speak of is that of the core type. It is not religion. Infact Siddartha said that Deitification was anathema to what he was (parapharse). Siddartha was a man, and what I would concider a Social Scientist. What he had to teach was Philosophy and observational techniques. To me he is on par with Immanuel Kant, in that his thinking is some of the most revolutionary in the history of human kind.

Again young man,I find myself in complete agreement with you,Siddartha,was
indeed very wise,and a man I would be proud to call my brother!


kind regards michael,

[David Maes]

'Death is a vision that never dies; there is only life.'

(David Lenssen)