[David Maes]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Excellent question Dave,we can actually prove very little,who was it that said it was actually impossible to prove you are even here in the first place?



regards michael.

I believe our existence is so improbable that the fact that we even exist already is a miracle.

Soul or not, we are already part of the great miracle; and as it evolves, it gets better and better.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by David Maes

I believe our existence is so improbable that the fact that we even exist already is a miracle.

Soul or not, we are already part of the great miracle; and as it evolves, it gets better and better.

Thats a great thought Dave,we need to live fully,that takes thought and effort,dying is
automatic and needs no thought!




regards michael.

[RascalPuff]

Good people go to Heaven for eternal harp lessons?
Bad people go to hell and burn in eternal flames forever?
People who fall between these two categories got to purgatory where they're compelled to figure out a Theory of Everything?

Best regards,
- RP

[Graybeard]

Wouldn't this place the theory in Limbo ?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Graybeard

Wouldn't this place the theory in Limbo ?

Yes mate it would become limbotic?



regards michael.

[KV4N]

Originally Posted by RascalPuff

Good people go to Heaven for eternal harp lessons?
Bad people go to hell and burn in eternal flames forever?
People who fall between these two categories got to purgatory where they're compelled to figure out a Theory of Everything?

Best regards,
- RP

Romans 3:12
(12) ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

Romans 3:23
(23) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

There are none who are are "good" we are all sinners deserving of Hell. So that blows the theory of "good people" going to Heaven. There are NONE. And Harp lessons?? You need to read the Bible. And purgatory, there is no such thing mentioned in scripture. Some fallacy make up by the Roman Catholic Church.

As far as science...and I hope you all mean REAL science, not theories or hypothesis. But, provable science. REAL science is something that can be tested and retested and you get the same results. What some call "science" is nothing more than hypothesis based on assumptions. There is no absolute test for God. So, as far as a lab experiment he can not be proved or disproved. But, the mere fact that we and the world exists is a testament to God's existence.

You have to have faith in one of two eternals. Either in eternal matter or an eternal God. But, both require "Faith". Either "matter" has existed eternally or God.

[mkirkpatrick]

Life by its very nature is eternal,life is energy,energy is eternally constant and cannot be
destroyed,it can be converted though,that is what happens to us,we are periodically converted from being wholly etheric (astral formed) ie (dead)to being wholly etheric,with
a dense physical covering (alive!)This is purely an automatic process,and has absolutely
nothing to do with what one believes or not believes,or accepts,or rejects,in truth,none
of us has any "real" say in this automatic eternal evolutional process,other than to learn
to try and keep within the lawful orbits of the law,thereby reducing negative karma.



regards michael.

[KV4N]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

energy is eternally constant and cannot be
destroyed

Prove (scientifically) that energy is eternal. You can't. To know that energy has always existed you would have had to alway exist. You take it by "faith" that energy is eternal. That is NOT science, that is "faith". It can't be proven.

faith
–noun
1.confidence or trust in a person or thing
2.belief that is not based on proof:

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

none of us has any "real" say in this automatic eternal evolutional process

True, we don't have any say in the way the world works. But, define evolution. Do you mean Micro, Macro or Chemical evolution. The only true provable, scientific one is Micro. Small changes within kinds of animals is provable. But, whole animal to animal changing has not been seen. We have never seen a cat come from a dog or any such thing. Dogs have dogs and cats have cats. Small changes can can happen, like ear size and such. But, a dog will never become a cat. Belief in such animal to animal changes takes "faith".

Notice I didn't use the term "species". Because the modern day scientific(if you can call it that) world would consider animals such as wolves and domesticated dogs different species. When in fact they are both kinds of "dog".

Macro-evolution and chemical-evolution can't be proved. They are "faith".

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

other than to learn
to try and keep within the lawful orbits of the law,

If there are "laws" then who is the law maker. For there to be limits to things, something must have provided those limits.

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

thereby reducing negative karma.

Where is the evidence for this "karma"? Is there some type of laboratory test on this or paper done on this or is it "faith"?


What I'm getting at is that you have to have faith in something. Either eternal matter or an eternal God. But, because we exist...faith is required. Somethings just can't be explained by testing in a laboratory.

I know Jesus Christ lives in me because of the changes in my life. I am no longer the same person I was before Jesus. I have tangible proof of God living inside of me. My life is proof of God.

[Profpat]

"..because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry:...the days of his life, which God has given him..."
Ecclesiastes 8:15 KJV

[RascalPuff]

Dear KV4N:
As an ordained Chaplain, I am still counseling with my family Dr. and pharmacist about your inimitable post.

Best regards,
- RP