[G_burnett]

[quote=By living we experience life, these experiences become what we are.
John.[/QUOTE]
Hi John..
maybe I'm listening to michael to much but if we speak on the sub molecular state I think the better term may be "existing" replacing "living" encompasses even the rocks? By existing we experience existence, these interactions with other existing make us what we are?.. I hope i am not to un humble in my reply...i do hear what you are saying Ty,
Peace .. Graham

[dipayankar]

Hi Graham,

I am of the opinion that after death (when your brain dies) your existance, survival whtever you call ceases. You just die and do not leave any soul etc.. behind.

Originally Posted by G_burnett

Hi John..
maybe I'm listening to michael to much but if we speak on the sub molecular state I think the better term may be "existing" replacing "living" encompasses even the rocks? By existing we experience existence, these interactions with other existing make us what we are?.. I hope i am not to un humble in my reply...i do hear what you are saying Ty,
Peace .. Graham

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by G_burnett

Hi John..
maybe I'm listening to michael to much but if we speak on the sub molecular state I think the better term may be "existing" replacing "living" encompasses even the rocks? By existing we experience existence, these interactions with other existing make us what we are?.. I hope i am not to un humble in my reply...i do hear what you are saying Ty,
Peace .. Graham

I do not attribute consciousness to any inanimate item. The reasoning behind this is that if there was the ability to see and feel and experience from a rock then why is life so fragile, why did we grow eyes and ears. If a rock can experience without these things, then it is better than a man for it is less fragile and has no life expectancy.

I feel there is no consciousness in ANY 3 DIMENSIONAL PHYSICAL STRUCTURE. Consciousness is an attribute of being, and a being exists in time not in space. The elaborate structure of our brain is an interface to a being that exists in time. We as a being do not even exist here in this 3 dimensional space. The body is nothing more than a remote device that interfaces the experiences of 3 dimensional space to a single dimensional being.

I feel our existence as a being may be a progression of continuous lives that start at the very beginning of life as very simple and will continue as long as life exists to whatever elaborate end life has in store for us.
Each and every living thing has it’s body, spirit and soul. The image of the spirit is life, the body is the interface, the soul is the memory of all the personal experiences back to the very beginning.

The universe itself may be a divine manifestation in all of the material, but I feel that the key word for us is LIFE.

It is obvious in this thread that ALL input is personal opinion.
We all have a right to that.
John.

[G_burnett]

John.[/quote][quote=everymansmedium;47011]I do not attribute consciousness to any inanimate item. The reasoning behind this is that if there was the ability to see and feel and experience from a rock then why is life so fragile, why did we grow eyes and ears. If a rock can experience without these things, then it is better than a man for it is less fragile and has no life expectancy.

Hi John
In the English language it is easy to I believe to get caught up in the singularity of words such as consciousness and existence...as such John I would make it clear I believe that there is encompassing existence that includes inanimate objects ....there is then the word consciousness that must be applied in a manner of degree to that which exists...lining up all that exists though a prism...life the word being a quantum concept...for what a rock may experience over millennium as the worm holes come out of time to feast is of little difference to our own human molecular ends...and beginnings...removing the man made concept of a clock to register or time it all this existence in some rational format of an excuse that we would be somehow different to the effect..is not what i subscribe to...no opinion but belief in recognition of what my perceptions over the years with varied senses evenly I can not begin to discribe and but sir given this chance I would share personally with you though that with the watch thrown away years ago I get up when I'm rested, eat when I am hungry, sleep when I am tired...wake up when I tell myself be for hand I have to do so...and I do not miss what I have tossed away...stepping out of time rationalizations....

The Body has become to my minds eye a collection of molecular interactions,
with the respect of my roots through your concepts of time reborn by reproduction for immortality of consciousness with another actually three or four for sure in true form of a sharing we find in all existences to mutual benefit ...the short term version like a half life to an uranium atom will be my consciousness that will bow to being like the rock some day...still an existence but of different reference to the infinit...will I have my memories? yes they are there to register in my existence or needed in my rebirth bouncing around in the EMF eternal...would I want to find them? Hmmmm... who knows!

I would be negligent ethically citing CASS Standards of Ethical Research to not reply to the statement that "obvious this thread is all opinion and we all have a right to our opinion" as I believe (and please any correct me if I am wrong just making my way around this site) the education an papers held by most I have read in the TOE Quest site here seethe ...they speak from true ethical belief ...not opinion in the negative incontations...but by facts and acceptable truths...by Ethical research for the most part seen yet...they have found, learned, discovered, still are learning and make theorem in there collections not just all discernible opinion...I for one would not entertain the site otherwise..the choice after all is ours to make...THANK YOU! You indeed gave me food for thought!

Peace G.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by Dayan

Hi Graham,

I am of the opinion that after death (when your brain dies) your existence, survival whatever you call ceases. You just die and do not leave any soul etc.. behind.

Hi Dip

TY very much for the reply

Old writers on the human existence made immortality a reachable concept and fact not theorem, the proof of which is the described way the true concept or definition of, immortality, is guarded ...as we expand our conceptional awareness to this fact ... a lot gets explained ... made clear ... are you ready for the perfect mirror? the one personal thing that will reflect all that you can not contain by rationalizations and emotional response and if you are and have tossed out all that is not the great eternal ... looking into the mirror your self in criticism self criticism done are you really ready? The Che Chevera of science? Aha ... OK .... "dies, ceases" or changes?

Q. what is reproduction?

to your service sir Peace Graham

[dipayankar]

Consciousness is very particular to the mebars of the family of primates

Originally Posted by everymansmedium

I do not attribute consciousness to any inanimate item. The reasoning behind this is that if there was the ability to see and feel and experience from a rock then why is life so fragile, why did we grow eyes and ears. If a rock can experience without these things, then it is better than a man for it is less fragile and has no life expectancy.

I feel there is no consciousness in ANY 3 DIMENSIONAL PHYSICAL STRUCTURE. Consciousness is an attribute of being, and a being exists in time not in space. The elaborate structure of our brain is an interface to a being that exists in time. We as a being do not even exist here in this 3 dimensional space. The body is nothing more than a remote device that interfaces the experiences of 3 dimensional space to a single dimensional being.

I feel our existence as a being may be a progression of continuous lives that start at the very beginning of life as very simple and will continue as long as life exists to whatever elaborate end life has in store for us.
Each and every living thing has it’s body, spirit and soul. The image of the spirit is life, the body is the interface, the soul is the memory of all the personal experiences back to the very beginning.

The universe itself may be a divine manifestation in all of the material, but I feel that the key word for us is LIFE.

It is obvious in this thread that ALL input is personal opinion.
We all have a right to that.
John.

[jim barlow]

The advantage of contrary thinking:

Consciousness is a brain product like light from a light bulb.
and
Consciousness is primary, the brain only acts as a receiver.

We are NOT to decide which of these statement is right or wrong. That's a low courtroom/ecclesiastical trick. Like that shameful Yes or No gambit.
That leads us nowhere than possibly to war.

The position I like best regarding true contrarious statement is not either/or but both/and.
This way we can still use our brain which due to some evolutionary vagary has a strong tendency to think in opposites without trying to unite them and step further. Evolution sometimes needs a push.

[dipayankar]

Then where does the consciousness originate from?

Originally Posted by jim barlow

The advantage of contrary thinking:

Consciousness is a brain product like light from a light bulb.
and
Consciousness is primary, the brain only acts as a receiver.

We are NOT to decide which of these statement is right or wrong. That's a low courtroom/ecclesiastical trick. Like that shameful Yes or No gambit.
That leads us nowhere than possibly to war.

The position I like best regarding true contrarious statement is not either/or but both/and.
This way we can still use our brain which due to some evolutionary vagary has a strong tendency to think in opposites without trying to unite them and step further. Evolution sometimes needs a push.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

Consciousness is very particular to the mebars of the family of primates

ref mebars
The Beast
Part One: The Birth of the Beast
By Oujo Anime
or?
Also short for
Methylphenobarbital

Methylphenobarbital
Systematic (IUPAC) name
5-phenyl-5-ethyl-
3-methylbarbituric acid
Identifiers
CAS number 115-38-8
ATC code N03AA01
PubChem 8271
DrugBank APRD00047
Chemical data
Formula C13H14N2O3
Mol. mass 246.3

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by G_burnett

John.

Originally Posted by everymansmedium

I do not attribute consciousness to any inanimate item. The reasoning behind this is that if there was the ability to see and feel and experience from a rock then why is life so fragile, why did we grow eyes and ears. If a rock can experience without these things, then it is better than a man for it is less fragile and has no life expectancy.

Hi John
In the English language it is easy to I believe to get caught up in the singularity of words such as consciousness and existence...as such John I would make it clear I believe that there is encompassing existence that includes inanimate objects ....there is then the word consciousness that must be applied in a manner of degree to that which exists...lining up all that exists though a prism...life the word being a quantum concept...for what a rock may experience over millennium as the worm holes come out of time to feast is of little difference to our own human molecular ends...and beginnings...removing the man made concept of a clock to register or time it all this existence in some rational format of an excuse that we would be somehow different to the effect..is not what i subscribe to...no opinion but belief in recognition of what my perceptions over the years with varied senses evenly I can not begin to discribe and but sir given this chance I would share personally with you though that with the watch thrown away years ago I get up when I'm rested, eat when I am hungry, sleep when I am tired...wake up when I tell myself be for hand I have to do so...and I do not miss what I have tossed away...stepping out of time rationalizations....

The Body has become to my minds eye a collection of molecular interactions,
with the respect of my roots through your concepts of time reborn by reproduction for immortality of consciousness with another actually three or four for sure in true form of a sharing we find in all existences to mutual benefit ...the short term version like a half life to an uranium atom will be my consciousness that will bow to being like the rock some day...still an existence but of different reference to the infinit...will I have my memories? yes they are there to register in my existence or needed in my rebirth bouncing around in the EMF eternal...would I want to find them? Hmmmm... who knows!

I would be negligent ethically citing CASS Standards of Ethical Research to not reply to the statement that "obvious this thread is all opinion and we all have a right to our opinion" as I believe (and please any correct me if I am wrong just making my way around this site) the education an papers held by most I have read in the TOE Quest site here seethe ...they speak from true ethical belief ...not opinion in the negative incontations...but by facts and acceptable truths...by Ethical research for the most part seen yet...they have found, learned, discovered, still are learning and make theorem in there collections not just all discernible opinion...I for one would not entertain the site otherwise..the choice after all is ours to make...THANK YOU! You indeed gave me food for thought!

Peace G.

Hello Graham:
I am pleased to communicate with you. The limitations of all natural language is well known to me not only from the view point of an AI Nat lang. programmer , but also from one who has had experiences that have given me a perspective of the difference between the experience and the communication of same.

An experience by a person is an absolute. The communication of same only results in hearsay evidence by those that have even bothered to listen. The most attentive and sincere people can still only be given a collection of sounds, or images that represent sounds that are meant to retrieve memories of the concept that is specific to the sound, a word. These words can only retrieve from your memory things that you remember that might if we are very lucky somewhat coincide with what I had in mind when I made the sounds or indicated the images that represent the sounds. It truly is a wonder that any communication takes place at all. However it does take place as we all know. But is this just an excuse for the ability to transmit our thoughts from one to another. Is there more to the communication of words than we know. If this is true then someplace in you, you all ready know of the experiences that I would love to share. But to share an experience by words is not possible, for an experience is absolute and the communication of same is nothing but a collection of words.

I also have thrown away my clock and also a good part of the calendar as well. I just save reference to a few birthdays of family and friends.

The degree of consciousness is the result of a continuing growth within life. In life there is a spirit of life that is a single dimensional existence that exists in time. In this existence medium there is room for more than one single strand of time. Each life has its own single strand of time. The interaction between these life forms is relative from the clock of each to the clock of the other. As each life form experiences the point of creation/now the time that was experienced becomes as a single strand of space that is formatted by the experiences in time. This is the recording of creation. About wanting to find this information. We each have our own cross to bear as a result of the learning process. Still we can not ignore the reason that we bear this cross, because the cross itself is unsightly. WE each will face what we have to face in order to become what we must. This effort is so great that I can not conceive that it is without good cause. We no doubt will do what we must.

About the opinions you find here at this place. You are quite right there is much thought and reasoning that is at the basis of the many beliefs that you find on this site. They are called opinion because they are the results of personal thoughts and reasoning. It seems that it is the persona that live the life of considerable thought and rational reasoning that find their way to this site as they are the ones that are attracted to finding the truth about this place in which we live.

I am sure that we will have much to talk about
John.