[Guille]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Your definition of change is a lot more narrow than mine. I was talking of death as not being the death of the impact of the person, but that's not the topic of this thead. Marx's death meant he didn't change in this dimension (that we can see). If all we are is biology, then yes, nothing happens after we die. I don't ascribe to this view. Marx, etc. were more than just their biologies.

You can't know my definition of change just by reading a post in which I try to explain that death is the opposite of change. Anyway this is not a conclusion, it is a starting fact. Death itself means no change. In fact what you talk about is that death is an event itself, well then yes, but in the moment something doesn't exist anymore, nothing happens. This is why the concepts of 'start' and 'end' are so strange, and why so many have misinterpret them (religion, for example). And I never talked about the the 'death of the impact of the person', if by that you refer to when Marx stopped being influential (after his death). And I have never said all we are is biology, or an organism made of organ systems made of organs made of tissues made of cells made of molecules made of atoms made of a nucleus made of quarks which have strong nuclear force with protons and weak nuclear force with electrons. In fact you just have to read my discussion in the thread "Who is your god (or not)?" were I clearly defend that we are not simply animals (statement which subversion and you claim). But however, the meaning of our death is still there, as when we stop to exist as humans, we also stop to exist as persons.

[mkirkpatrick]

What happens after you die,simple you continue living,but for a while in another
dimension,until you are reborn back into this one again.



kindest regards michael.

[David Maes]

I don't really know what happens if you die... (if there already happens something anyway)... These matters seem to be without prove and without being really observed. Personally I believe Michael but cannot prove it or know it for sure...

Considering the idea of 'time'; I cannot prove anything either. Is it real? Is it not real?

We all experience it in our reality and most people believe in its existence.
But it guess it could be merely psychological.

What's making me doubt the existence of time is things like relativity of simultaneousness and also the part of dopamine in timeperception.
Do we inhabit different realities? Or do we inhabit merely different data?
Maybe we confuse what's given with reality...

Anyhow, even when time would be real; then would it prove something about a possible afterlife?? Don't know.

Sorry, I'm not a good person to ask questions to...

Also this...

Why am I 'me' and not 'you'...? OK, I'm a patron of atomic motions in time...
But why is 'me' just this patron and not the atomic patron of someone else?
If I'm just some passage of atoms in time... then why is 'me' just this passage? Why not the passage of someone else??
I mean... I could as well be a stone or a table or maybe a star, a planet, an atom...
I guess there are other things which know a passage of atoms in time...
The difference might be they don't have a memory; so they don't have consciousness or 'me' consciousness...

But still I don't understand; why I am me and not somebody else... I mean, somebody else has also a memory;
I'm sure I am a completely different person than I was born or a child... but still I am this patron... How can something which is different still be the same... what's the constant... I guess it must be memory... But still it's difficult to understand...

Allow me to give a discription of myself...

First I don't exist; and I don't know I exist...
Suddenly out of nothing; I recieve images and sense impressions (I'm born).

Then we go to school and everyone says there is something that we call 'time' and that it has one direction; you have the past and you have the future... It started somewhere in the past and is still running; we can even make calculations on it by comparing it with another motion called a clock.
And there is something like causality everywhere... this 'time' runs in the background. The only thing is... we don't seem able to grab it, to hold it... it's just a logical idea which everybody experiences...

Then I change and get older... until suddenly the changes wipe out.
I don't exist anymore; my consciousness doesn't exist anymore and doesn't know anymore it has ever existed.

Is this the truth??
I'm not sure; I'm doubting...

Why do I have the privilege that everything what happens to me happens now?? Why would anyone have that privilege? Is it real?

I don't understand; don't know...

And this... when you look workers are building a house, then this takes a lot of time... But when there is a tornado or some other disaster, then this house can be distroyed in just a few seconds...
So we say.. oh, this is the direction of time.

Is order an anomaly??

In nature, it seems that just one small anomaly can cause some kind of butterfly effect with huge consequences.

Could universal expansion be an anomaly?
Maybe the universe started to exist because of the interaction between many anomalies?

About evolution... it's like evolution is possible because of the happening of many anomalies and some of the anomalies are favourite, which creates evolution and finally us. But it's still happening...
Maybe just like cells grouped together to organisms we'll group together to forms of higher consciousness...

Could our universe be the consequence of anomalies? Imagen total chaos and suddenly an anomaly... I believe this one anomaly might effect the rest of reality (time!)... then suddenly another anomaly with another 'butterflyeffect', then another one... and so one... could the creation of the universe also be a result of many favourite anomalies which are kind of interacting????
Could time be the result of anomaly? Or is it an anomaly?

Imagen there was totally nothing at first (even not empty space)...
Then the sudden creation of something (even empty space) is an anomaly also, which would kind of expand in nothing?

(Sorry... I'm a bit in a philosophical mood today...)

[harmonygirl]

I think (and as you said, it's not provable) that you're you because you choose to be you. I am me because I choose to be me. Either that or someone chose for us. Does it matter, either way?

[mkirkpatrick]

You continue with your life of course!What else would you do?Die or something equally absurd?

kindest regards michael.

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl I think (and as you said, it's not provable) that you're you because you choose to be you. I am me because I choose to be me. Either that or someone chose for us. Does it matter, either way?

Well, I don't really remember chosing for it... but as it appears, it looks like 'me' suddenly is here without even asking for it and 'me' shall go without even asking for it...
Don't really understand, you could be right, maybe we chose for it...
Sorry, I am really a bad person to give answers to questions like that...

[David Maes]

But watch out, maybe, you'll find answers, or you already have...
(Anyway I gonna wish it to ye...)

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by David Maes But watch out, maybe, you'll find answers, or you already have... (Anyway I gonna wish it to ye...)

best of luck David,you already have
the answer within you,go on dig it out!


kindest regardsmichael.

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by David Maes We all live forever and for all eternity! Getting older is an illusion!

Well of course we get older (as we experience); but is it real, like time??
It's real for us... but there is still no real prove. We might once find one or we might find the opposite. (don't understand reactions... where is the arrogance??)

Cannot answer a questions like this.
(answering it is not really objective).

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by David Maes We all live forever and for all eternity! Getting older is an illusion!

We are getting older (as we experience); but time is still not really proven. It can be proven to exist or be proven to be opposite (leave it open).
(don't understand; wanted to provoce reactions... where is the arrogance?)

Don't want to answer questions like this (not really objective).

But leave the question open...