[Mikal]

Graham..pretty neat story about your mom...isn't it strange how life has its own mysterious way of evenning things out...thanks for sharing that...I lost my mom four years ago so understand the sentiment when looking back through old albums...its always a nostalgic journey...

smiles Mikal

[dipayankar]

You live and die on the earth while you are alive... by your actions..

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by dipayankar You live and die on the earth while you are alive... by your actions..

hmmm hi dip

Actions would tend to imply thought taking place ... so consciousness holds the key to living or dieing ... manifested will at the extreme ... does not have to be your own either ... Hmm that ought to get michael in this one between those little shots of coffee over there... maybe some Romanov live by the sword die by the sword sort of thing?

at least it has a good point, used direct and burble sharp to some?

Peace! ~ graham

[dipayankar]

Okay lets get Mike in here...

Originally Posted by G_burnett hmmm hi dip Actions would tend to imply thought taking place ... so consciousness holds the key to living or dieing ... manifested will at the extreme ... does not have to be your own either ... Hmm that ought to get michael in this one between those little shots of coffee over there... maybe some Romanov live by the sword die by the sword sort of thing? at least it has a good point, used direct and burble sharp to some? Peace! ~ graham

[G_burnett]

tuning ...oohhhaaahmmm ....oohhhaahmmm ... calling the fez calling the fez ... are u in there? .....are u in there? oooohhhhaaaammm

hmmm seem to be getting some wave interference over near CERNs ....


hang on ill try through Mars

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We missed the window till September it seems, sorry friend

[austintorn@aol.com]

The End-All

If, then, you worry that all will not last
That the likes of us someday will be the past,
And wonder whither whence we went
After the last of us her life has spent…

…The Eternal Energy has formed
Trillions of baubles like thee, and will form,
Forevermore—the comings and passings
Of which the Energy emits to immerse
As much air’s self heeds bubbles blown and burst.

[Mikal]

Originally Posted by baudrunner . Not necessarily. I honestly do subscribe to my anthropocentric Universe theory. Carl Gustav Jung referred to the "Universal Unconscious". Since, according to my belief, Consciousness precludes the nature of Universal evolution it is perpetually present. We sentient life forms are like the intersections of the mesh that sieves through this Universal unconscious and are by the process of birth or rebirth afforded the opportunity to develop a unique identity. The mind is linked to the Universal Unconscious and it has the potential to survive the cessation of the corporeal harbour of the spirit wherein we develop this identity. Consciousness must be represented by a very powerful energy. It is said that when Jesus died on the cross the Gates of Heaven were opened. I interpret this to mean that 2,000 years ago the spiritual development of individuals had attained a state of evolutionary advancement that potentially qualified them to enter that spiritual domain wherein dwell the preserved identities of other spirits from across the Universe who were so qualified and who are to all intent and purpose immortal. Belief is a potent force that guides our spiritual selves. We must believe in our spiritual potential lest we lose the opportunity to release ourselves from the cycle of life and death and find that the end really is no more than worm food when we wake up dead.

Austin...you state here that Jesus dying on the cross opened the Gates of Heaven...2000 years ago the spiritual development of individuals had attained a state of evolutionary advancement that potentially qualified them to enter that spiritual domain...

The Gnostics said, "cursed be the lawgivers who block this gate."

Carl Jung realized through the symbolic drawings of his patients that there were those entering that spiritual domain...without the ancient wisdom and without the knowledge of the ancient initiation mystery...

In 1921 Jung wrote a letter to Sigmund Freud telling him....."it will be in our modern times that we will see that psychoanalysis will be about "the re-enactment of the ancient Sophia wisdom mystery..."

This is a very well known fact in the field of psychology and psychiatry which has not really been openly shared beyond the fringes of the professional field....I suppose it has complicated the truth we know as a society where without full integrity...it has left us entangled with fears of mental illness rather than to come to a greater understanding that one "is or has entered the mystery of that spiritual domain and is psychically enacting the ancient initiation mystery."

Wow....we pay for secrets...

peace Mikal

[G_burnett]

Hi all
I gave the dieing thing a lot of thought over the years where as you mention the "on the cross" was described in record. The partial taking of a story an using it for a point of argument regards enlightenment must fall to the wayside to the full picture. The full picture in todays terms describes a child who does not have his father in his life because the father has chosen not to be a part of the wiles of society that caused the separation. In not arguing against the masses of the modern social unit he gives the child the right to judge all that befalls the child as being the fault of society because the child will come out into his own ... and in so judging society the father knows the child will come to him. ... the one place both socially and mentally and spiritually where nothing was a part of what befell the child over the years as a child and an individual did the father take part in.

This is best I think described in the last words of the child before he died.

The father did not take part in any of it by any form of participation in the civil acceptance of the sufferance ...you see all that had been tried before in history ... what not can be done in the name of a suffering child? Mountains were moved seas parted and whole civilizations razed to the ground but still society formed and in it's wiles society still suffered children to the loss of the father... civil procedure ... This is just the way we are ... Woman left the almighty man father in the tribal culture and took the children with them to a lesser existence for the child and it goes on today over an over. The kid loses by the arguements the right to judge because he only has two parent who take part in the sufference.

Personal experience again proves the point in any one going to divorce court where there are children involved ... I withdrew from the proceedings and refused to take part ... an for the simple hidden fact to most that I loved my children that much greater then the wiles or social aspects of society and if any one is interested I will explain further the story to request so as not to sound as I am preaching which I hope I do not in interpretation of the record by historical writing logicaly revealed that I am trying to do here.

~Peace Graham

[Mikal]

Hi Graham...this would be the mystery of a thorn trying to get a finger out of its thorn self....there is always two sides to the story but the wiles of our society just likes to play one side....

best to you
smiles Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

Hi Miss Gnost with the gmostest,

My son studied Abnormal Psychology in college, and so, then, did I, with him. He wished we could dig up Carl Jung to find out more what he was talking about.

The collective unconscious is perhaps now conscious as the internet, in a way.