[G_burnett]

[quote=rick;59762]What does the Bible really say about this...... your interp of the bible is saying one thing and the book is saying another /

[rick]

So where does the Bible say that we all have an immortal soul, by default ?

Quote me a verse with references that says we do .. ?

It would seem to me to have been an invention of the RC church, around the time of Nicea, when church and state were unified, so that it could manipulate its followers by fear of an eternal Hell-fire if they didn't do what they were told.

Prove me wrong....

[melanie]

Man wrote the bible, man reads the bible, man interprets the bible and man tampers with the bible.

But who wrote the rocks, the mountains, the flowers, the rivers, and seas, the list is endless?

Believe it or not no-thing dies because no-thing was born.

All there is IS the awareness ... within which all THIS 'arises'

All THIS.... has no lasting substance or reality, it is only ''appearing'' and ''disappearing'' within the eternal screen of awareness.

IT is a self shining display of IS-ness.

On display to No-One.

Neither this nor that ... yet both and neither.

Neti Neti.


M.

[melanie]

From the book ''Awakening to the Dream''

The body is false,
And so are its fears,
Heaven and hell, freedom and bondage.
It is all invention.
What can they matter to me?
I am awareness itself.

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And if you would understand what I am, know this:
all that I have said I have uttered playfully,
and I was by no means ashamed thereby.
I Danced.

Jesus Christ/Acts of John



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Two short poems By Bunan, 17th Century Japanese Zen Master

1
The moon's the same old moon,
The flowers exactly as they were,
Yet I've become the thingness
Of all the things I see!


2
Die while you’re alive
And be absolutely dead.
Then do whatever you want:
It’s all good.



M.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by rick

So where does the Bible say that we all have an immortal soul, by default ?

Quote me a verse with references that says we do .. ?

It would seem to me to have been an invention of the RC church, around the time of Nicea, when church and state were unified, so that it could manipulate its followers by fear of an eternal Hell-fire if they didn't do what they were told.

Prove me wrong....

There is no hate here promoted by uncontrollable emotions and attempt to destroy the forum of thought. Are you promoting hate? Using the word invent as in misrepresent as in lie? Manipulate like in bully? Rule as in subjugate? The way we are in some a hollow and shallow manner to the intellect here? What are you preaching here with such attempt to shock us maybe? It will not work you know.

The immortal soul is postulated by default of being. In being we have by default the ability to pass it on, immortality though the burning realization of truth as the sword moving in all way cuts through all rationalizations against it ... our children .. you sound like you hate children and who they are to us by default immortality of soul.

The church is no more then the keepers of the word of how we are as humans in the growth of civilization interacting and you failing to know the way life can be enjoyed in ignorance and hate mongering of a little ego and mind set of not being important enough somehow in all little minds saying they know it all as you seem to do here is best shouted in the wind where it will be soon blown away the bother it creates to and with others laughter ...LOL if you want to live with the idea that your children are nothing .. you should not have them and the world be better without you when you indeed give up the immortality by default they represent. Existing, not living, like a parasite crawling along in the dirt with those that would thank you as other bretheren of the muck. Take your bull shit some where else is my reply to such crapola but then i have not have my coffee yet to be more subtle.

G

[Mikal]

Graham...did not realize that Tim's coffee makes people subtle...smiles...seriously though your passion for life shows in this post...also your loyalty to the TOE...and your decency and committment to your principles....pretty remarkable post and quite impressionable...

peace Mikal

[melanie]

Tina:
Water, no matter where it travels, will always remain in the water cycle somewhere....
they say no new water is created only recycled.....
wonder if this applies to our lives after death.
I do not believe in reincarnation but the water in us is reincarnated that's for sure.

Yes, we are water,
our body is 95% water composite,
just as the sea evaporates becoming cloud,
turning rain into rivers flow,
back to oceans go.
The body of the One,
in myriad of pattern and form,
eternally alive yet never born.


Somewhere, out at the edges,
the night is turning and the waves of darkness
begin to brighten the shore of dawn

the heavy dark falls back to earth
and the freed air goes wild with light,
the heart fills with fresh bright breath
and thoughts stir to give birth to color.

~ ~ ~

''Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him,
shall never thirst;
but the water that I shall give him,
shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life'' (John 4:14)



From source to source an eternal spring. ((smiles))
M.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Mikal

and then we have children...

life gets more complex...demands more of our presence...

peace Mikal

''Children''

Natures own form of birth control.

[melanie]

The church is no more then the keepers of the word

A place in which gentlemen who have never been to heaven.
Brag about it to persons who will never get there.

[melanie]

G_B

The immortal soul is postulated by default of being.
In being we have by default the ability to pass it on,
immortality though the burning realization of truth
as the sword moving in all way cuts through all rationalizations against it

our children ..

you sound like you hate children and who they are to us by default immortality of soul.

Love and hate are ONE ..... No-thing belongs to you per se. Nothing is your property.

Here everyone is the same conscious Soul;
Here everyone is the one eternal Soul.
Here only the one undivided Soul exists;
Why lament, then, O mind? I am the same Self in all.

~ Dattatreya ~

G_B
The church is no more then the keepers of the word of how we are as humans in the growth of civilization

Every word spouted out of the mouth of man is a ( be_lie_f ) ..... a lie

SHE is SEEn ...... ordinary functional senses.

G_B
if you want to live with the idea that your children are nothing ..

Knowledge and Ignorance

If absolute Knowledge required the aid
Of some other kind of knowledge to know Itself,
It would be nothing but ignorance.

Of course, light is not darkness;
But, to itself, is it even light?

If there is a pot, a pot is perceived,
And if the pot is broken, its brokenness is perceived;
If there is no pot at all,
Is not its absence perceived as well?

It can be seen, therefore,
That he who perceives that there is nothing
Does not himself become nothing.
The Self has this same unique kind of existence,
Beyond both existence and non-existence.

The ultimate Reality
Is neither an object to Itself
Nor is It an object to anyone else.
Should it then be regarded as non-existent?

In a tank the water may be so clear
That it appears non-existent;
Though one who looks into the tank may not see it,
Still it is there.

Similarly,
The ultimate Reality exists in Itself,
And is beyond the conceptions
Of existence or non-existence.

~ Dattatreya ~

G_B
you should not have them and the world be better without you when you indeed give up the immortality by default they represent.

Children are not your Children.

''You'' do not have them.

They come from grace, a gift from her ... sorry.