[pagan3142]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl oh, okay. gotcha.

thats it all over. but being a holistic you know we will be transformed into a a higher plane and Universal consiousness.
regards Steve

[Rufus]

Baudrunner

"subscribe to my anthropocentric Universe theory" I'm afraid I missed that one. What is that in short form? You make a very nice reply.

If we live to a ripe old age, say the point where we can look back and tell our friends that we have had a good life and are ready to shake off the mortal coil. It's pretty doubtful that we would die and wind up on a cloud somewhere fully recalling our life and having to listen to angels with harps, with no need to eat or drink and seeing an old guy that's so pure he doesn't even have an ol' lady and calls himself God. I know I wouldn't want the job, especially after having been alive and having all that fun.

Being God in that sense would be a real bore...but then I'm just kidding around.

In order for us to be reborn as a new child or whatever we would have to remember certain basic design features on a level that was not really conscious and we would have to forget our previous life...??

Rufe

[pagan3142]

Originally Posted by Rufus Baudrunner "subscribe to my anthropocentric Universe theory" I'm afraid I missed that one. What is that in short form? You make a very nice reply. If we live to a ripe old age, say the point where we can look back and tell our friends that we have had a good life and are ready to shake off the mortal coil. It's pretty doubtful that we would die and wind up on a cloud somewhere fully recalling our life and having to listen to angels with harps, with no need to eat or drink and seeing an old guy that's so pure he doesn't even have an ol' lady and calls himself God. I know I wouldn't want the job, especially after having been alive and having all that fun. Being God in that sense would be a real bore...but then I'm just kidding around. In order for us to be reborn as a new child or whatever we would have to remember certain basic design features on a level that was not really conscious and we would have to forget our previous life...?? Rufe

matter cannot be destroyed so it evolves. into what a Univesal conciousness ?
every thing is a wave so the waves must mix. just like throwing a pebble into a pond. That is why we have ideas and original thoughts howevr they came to us. have you never had a brainwave and the answer just pops up ?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by pagan3142 matter cannot be destroyed so it evolves. into what a Univesal conciousness ? every thing is a wave so the waves must mix. just like throwing a pebble into a pond. That is why we have ideas and original thoughts howevr they came to us. have you never had a brainwave and the answer just pops up ?

It has not been established that matter actually exists. Some form of matter/energy is obviously comprising our world but probably not the "Standard Theory" type. I do like the Universal consciousness idea though.

I usually call those inspirations.. and they happen all the time.

(all the accelerators built to date have failed to find any matter.)

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Rufus It has not been established that matter actually exists. Some form of matter/energy is obviously comprising our world but probably not the "Standard Theory" type. I do like the Universal consciousness idea though. I usually call those inspirations.. and they happen all the time. (all the accelerators built to date have failed to find any matter.)

What would you call it Rufus,stuff,chitta,plasmic thought,I suppose whatever you or we call it,it will remain the same?

kindregarsmichael.

[harmonygirl]

Universal consciousness is pretty commonplace in Eastern religious thought. Michael, I think you're right, but it's just another aspect of energy, isn't it?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick What would you call it Rufus,stuff,chitta,plasmic thought,I suppose whatever you or we call it,it will remain the same? kindregarsmichael.

It stands to reason that if matter is not really intrinsic, and by that I mean here before and after us, then our concept of energy must be in error as well. This becomes very sticky for the realists because the premise that they use for the building of these new CERN facilities is the old model of the universe and atomic science.

There MUST be some form of energy or matter because we are surely experiencing something and have the capacity to question it... but I don't feel comfortable with "old" science, do you?

[harmonygirl]

Originally Posted by Rufus It stands to reason that if matter is not really intrinsic, and by that I mean here before and after us, then our concept of energy must be in error as well. This becomes very sticky for the realists because the premise that they use for the building of these new CERN facilities is the old model of the universe and atomic science. There MUST be some form of energy or matter because we are surely experiencing something and have the capacity to question it... but I don't feel comfortable with "old" science, do you?

Rufus, I am not sure that I believe that our concept of energy is necessarily in error. I agree that "old" science is too narrow and I am also not comfortable with it. It's an interesting question, though, what does happen to our notion of energy if matter has been fundamentally misconstrued by us?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Rufus, I am not sure that I believe that our concept of energy is necessarily in error. I agree that "old" science is too narrow and I am also not comfortable with it. It's an interesting question, though, what does happen to our notion of energy if matter has been fundamentally misconstrued by us?

Harmonygirl

Thankyou for your response, sorry I didn't see this last night I turned in early. Perhaps I am wrong in this but I usually say that the definition of energy is the movement of matter. This is easy to see with inertia, kenitic energy, centrifical force and things like that but harder to visualize with convection, conduction and electrical energy. Theoretically all matter stops moving at absolute zero and the energy then is considered to be only potential. Feel free to correct me in any of this.

Standard theory accepts or states that electrons are constructed of particles of matter that move from one polar region to their opposite, supplying energy to the load. Also, present day atomic theory visualizes motion within the atom of strings or quarks, protons, neutrons or whatever. I'm not actually sure what the latest accepted version is, what with M-theory or U-theory and perhaps someone could straighten me out on this.

At any rate, if our concept of matter is wrong then it seems to follow that our concept of energy must be too.

[harmonygirl]

Rufus, I think your definition of energy is probably more widely accepted than mine, which doesn't involve matter. I think you're right about standard theory regarding electrons, but I guess I think of electrons as composed of energy, rather than matter. I don't buy string theory (but maybe that's just me!). I think that you are right, energy and matter are widely believed to be connected. I think I just have a different definition of matter (that it is comprised of energy, rather than vice versa) which would make rethinking the matter side of the equation not interfere with the energy side (sorry if that sentence was a little garbled, too tired right now!)